Healing Our Emotional Wounds With Our Chakras – Ep #056 Interview With Glen Park

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Welcome to the Soul Science Nutrition Podcast, where you’ll discover that when it comes to your health, you’re so much more powerful than you’ve been led to believe. And now your host, she’s a holistic nutrition and lifestyle coach, chef, author, and Yogi, Christine Okezie. Hello

Christine Okezie (23s):
And welcome to the Soul Science Nutrition Podcast. I’m Christine Okezie. Thanks so much for listening today. The more we build our understanding of the intelligence that governs this body-mind system that we inhabit, the more we can know ourselves better, the better we can step into the full capacity of creating true health and wellbeing. The chakra system is a powerful map, understand all the different aspects of ourselves, our patterns, and tendencies, our growth and development and how it all comes together to create the physical, mental, and emotional experiences. We’re having learning to work with our chakras. We embrace a model of ourselves as embodied consciousness, where body mind, and emotions are an integrated system.

Christine Okezie (1m 8s):
The chakras give us a tool to support healing and integrating the various parts of ourselves. We learn how to use self-awareness deep listening and inner knowing to activate our innate self-healing potential natural healers and spiritual sages throughout time have long known that consciousness lives beyond the brain and the body. And thankfully, the study of consciousness is thriving in modern research in neuroscience and psychology with fields such as psycho neuro immunology and epigenetics today’s guest is a passionate expert teacher and gifted healer with over 30 years in the field of whole body consciousness.

Christine Okezie (1m 51s):
She is Glen Park author of a newly released book, Chakra Healing Therapy, Awakening Spiritual Energies and Heal Emotional Wounds. In her book. Glen focuses on the psycho emotional healing of the chakras. In her UK based private practice. Glen brings together chakra healing therapy and a special healing system known as the Alexander Technique. The Alexander Technique works with unhelpful patterns of physical behavio, while the Chakra Therapy works alongside with unhelpful psychological patterns. Integrating these two complimentary modalities, Glen has developed a highly effective process for bringing about expansion and growth at the physical, psychological, and spiritual level.

Christine Okezie (2m 39s):
Glen has taught workshops on the Alexander Technique in Europe, the United States, Australia, and Japan. She wrote about this powerful combination in her first book, The Art of Changing. I can’t wait for you to listen in on this expansive and thoughtful conversation. And if you enjoy the show, please feel free to leave a rating and review. I’d be grateful. And if you haven’t already hit that subscribe button, please do so it helps me keep the podcast growing. Thank you and enjoy the show. Welcome Glnn. Wonderful to have you here on the podcast.

Glen Park (3m 14s):
Lovely to be here. Thank you for asking me.

Christine Okezie (3m 17s):
So I love your book and I love, you know, your passion and expertise for sharing the chakra system, you know, making it so accessible. When did you first become passionate about the chakras?

Glen Park (3m 32s):
Right? Well, yes, I have a career that’s changed directions quite a lot. So I did a degree in philosophy, which in those days there was no jobs. So they do teach it in schools now. But I came out of that, not quite sure what to do, and actually ended up working in the theater as an actress and writer script writer for 10 years, particularly with small, a small company that were supported by the arts council that traveled around communities that don’t often watch. They don’t go to the CF. So not like the West end, you know, local people.

Glen Park (4m 16s):
And it was exhausting work. And I ended up being burnt out. I just was wrecked and I realized I had to leave. Another thing was that in the course of that work, I was suffering from recurring back pain. And that was healed by an Alexander technique teacher. So after this 10 years in the theater, I decided I was going to train as an Alexander Technique teacher because it had been so helpful to me. Do you know what the Alexander Technique is?

Christine Okezie (4m 45s):
Please share, please share.

Glen Park (4m 46s):
Right? It’s it’s, it’s called teaching because we teach people how to use their bodies in a way that supports their health in terms of supporting the musculature to be imbalanced. So people come to us with backaches, neck and shoulder aches, you name it, or they might come to us because they’re a musician and it’s difficult to play musical instruments without getting into a mess in their muscles actors. A lot of actors work with the Alexander Technique so that they have more control over their movements. Then you might get a dentist because imagine how a dentist, you know, stooping down, awful neck pain, but so it’s, and we also have people like Olympic rowers have come and worked with the Alexander Technique.

Glen Park (5m 37s):
So they are rowing their very best and runners and all sorts of sports people. So we just teach movement at a very simple level to people. So how to walk, how to sit and stand, how you know, how to do very simple climbing up the stairs, whatever it is and how to do more complex movements like playing the violin or whatever. The thing about the Alexander technique is it’s not just teaching as well as giving these principles of movement. We also work with our hands in a very gentle, you could say a healing sort of way. We put our hands on the body and we create muscular release. Yes, yes.

Glen Park (6m 17s):
Through our thoughts, actually just thinking, not through massage or anything. Yes. And so it, it, what was the site went to the States? I left the theater. I was very lucky. I got an arts council grant because I’d done good service in the theater. I got four months exploring women’s theater in the state thing. Amazing because I was in a small group that was a feminist group, the wonderful group, the women in it, but they, yeah, so they said, I could use this grant to explore theater in the States. And I spent four months in the States traveling from one theater company to the next, having a lovely time, amazing talking about their work, talking about how we worked in the UK and so on.

Glen Park (7m 7s):
And it was a very interesting four months at the end of which I was in California. And the friend of the friend that I was staying with said, well, while you’re here, you must go and have a psychic reading. And this was, You did not know. Right. I was in California and the new age was blossoming More so than in the UK. If I went for a psychic reading, Amazing and introduced myself to this clairvoyant who picked up immediately, the I was a bit skeptic. Cool. Then when she tuned into me, he said, well, I’m really surprised because you seem quite skeptical about psychic things, but you’re actually extremely psychic.

Glen Park (7m 57s):
Cos you don’t know how to take care of your, in your psychic body or psychic mechanisms. You’re picking up a lot of negative energy and, and, and it’s making you ill. Well, that was true. That was, I was burnt out and had developed problems with my thyroid and so on. So yeah, so, so it was quite accurate what she said, but I was still a bit bemused. Didn’t take it terribly serious. Remember what else she said. That was the thing that stuck. When I got back to the UK and began training as an Alexander technique teacher, this because of this gentle hands-on work that you get lots of in the training just to get your whole musculature into a really good state so you can teach it to other people.

Glen Park (8m 48s):
Yes. My psychic, I just developed psychically. I started to see auras. I started to understand picking up negative energy. It would really affect me in a way that I was quite conscious of. And I, yes, I began to get telepathic experiences that were perfectly clearly psychic. Goodness, that clever. And it was right. I’d better do something.

Christine Okezie (9m 14s):
Yes. We need, we need, we need a map. We need some training.

Glen Park (9m 19s):
I trained in the UK, very different in the UK to America. It was the spiritualist association that I trained with. And I, I never felt that I really belonged there because they train people to make contact with people who’ve passed into who have died with passed into another realm. And I didn’t feel that was really where my life was going. Okay. So two or three years later, I was back in the States helping to run a course on the Alexander technique with the people who trained me and so on. Yes. And I made contact with the clairvoyant hadn’t met before and said, look, this is where I’ve got two amazing, well, what do I do now?

Glen Park (10m 2s):
And she said, why don’t you make contact with the person who trained me and to do psychic readings? And I rang this wonderful man up and he happened to have a free week. He said, come a lot. I don’t think I a week, he got a week and we have this intensive week together where he taught me the basic principles that I have worked with and developed that the book has then resulted in. Yes. And he, you know, he got people in, so I could give psychic readings. You know, he just, he taught me the whole system of looking because this wasn’t taught in, in the UK, the psychological levels of the shakras, the psychic levels of spiritual levels. He taught me all these different aspects.

Glen Park (10m 43s):
And at the end of the week, he said to me, when you, when you get back to the UK, you should focus on this Shakar work because I think you’ve got something quite important to do with the shakras. And I think he saw that book. I’ve just written

Christine Okezie (11m 1s):
Amazing divine.

Glen Park (11m 3s):
So yeah, so that, that’s what, and, and so I went, I was still very focused on being an Alexander Technique teacher, but what was happening was, as I saw clients, as I did this gentle hands-on work, some of them would have an emotional outlet, you know, they cry or they remember something that happened an emotional memory surface from the physical hands-on work that I was doing. And I realized I needed more than just physical instructions to relax, you know, wide or server. I needed some psychological help. And so I said, I think I should try working with the shockers with you.

Glen Park (11m 45s):
I complained, I got a sense of what the energy was doing. And, and so I started to bring the shakras into my work to bring a psychological into what I was teaching. And then it developed from there. Some people just wanted to come and work with the shakras with me. Some people wanted both, some people just wanted the Alexander Technique. And so it went on and that that’s 30 years of, of client experience from that. Yeah.

Christine Okezie (12m 9s):
Amazing. And all, you know, all leading to the path of this amazing book and the body of work that you’ve created. Oh my God. Thank you. Yeah. So the Alexander Technique, it’s so fascinating. It was not, it was from the 1800’s, If I’m not mistaken, right. Sometime it’s, it’s quite,

Glen Park (12m 26s):
He was born in the late 1800, in 1860 or something, and he wanted to be an actor and he was getting all these jobs, the parts on stage and finding that he lost his voice halfway through a speech. And it w he was his acting was, and he, he went to every specialist. He could, he went to doctors, voice teachers, you name it. And he still got this problem that he would get horse, not able to get the words out. And he would do this gasping. He would be friends, Romans, countrymen, you know, ……and so on.

Glen Park (13m 7s):
So yes, after approaching everybody for help and nobody able to help, he saw it, right. It must be something I’m doing, that’s causing this problem. He spent the next seven years off and on looking at himself in a mirror, speaking, working out what he’s doing wrong until he diff he evolved his technique and worked out exactly what the principles were and was no longer having this problem on stage. It sounds fascinating. It’s called the breathing mom. You was an Australian, and you’d got nicknamed the breathing man. Well, then people started coming to him to say, teach me what you’ve learned and was trying to teach them these principles.

Glen Park (13m 50s):
And they weren’t understanding, and he was getting frustrated. And so he started putting his hands on people and saying, no, get your head and neck in this relationship interests. Now we got this build at this lovely mix of mind and body, you know, the mental principles. This is how you think about your body. And this is the work that can help release tight muscles and bring everything into balance. So yeah, he brought them together. In fact, his principles were, he said, you cannot separate mind and body. They are two aspects of the same thing, which fits with your work and mine, doesn’t it

Christine Okezie (14m 28s):
Such a visionary, such a visionary. And, and really, you know, it’s just fascinating to understand it didn’t come through, you know, traditional or ancient spiritual teachings at all. It came from, first of all, just very individually experience developing. Self-awareness developing, you know, just what we now know is interoception right. And, and, and not even have any, any of this language, energy yet alone, mind, body connection, none of that,

Glen Park (14m 56s):
To follow those intuitions, isn’t it as well as the logic. Yeah,

Christine Okezie (15m 0s):
Exactly. Exactly. I mean, even from back, you started, you know, you, there was nothing practical about your decision to go study philosophy, but clearly that was coming from, you know, a higher level.

Glen Park (15m 13s):
Right? All my life it’s served me up. And actually there wasn’t, there was one practical reason I studied where it’s just my absence levels. We call them a levels. In those days, I was doing sciences. I was doing maths applied in pure maths and physics. And I realized that I just did not want to do a degree in maths or physics. And I have to look for something different to study. And Phil and I, so philosophy opened a door for me, which has been the most wonderful door actually.

Christine Okezie (15m 46s):
Yes, definitely. Definitely following the breadcrumb. So important. So in your, in your words, you know, and for folks who are somewhat familiar with the chakras, you know, w how do you say, you know, how did the chakras promote healing? Why is it useful for people to understand, even if they, you know, don’t know anything about, you know, Vedic, astrology, or tantric, you know, philosophy or anything, you know, why are the chakras such a useful portal for self healing?

Glen Park (16m 17s):
Well, they give us self understanding and they, they help us to understand that our lives are a developmental journey. So the lower chakras are all linked to stages of life. So the base shakras linked to time in the womb birth first year or two of life. The second I call it our inner animal, because it’s purely about survival. The second chakra is dominant during childhood. When we want to feel loved by our family. And we want to have pleasure and happiness and explore this wonderful world and feel safe and secure so that, you know, just having a wonderful childhood is what we want just a child, but then that’s the sacral chakra, the second one.

Glen Park (17m 10s):
And then the third chapter, which becomes dominant after puberty and adolescents and young adults who are just where we actually start to develop the adult self and begin to think very thoughtfully, consciously, it’s linked to developmental changes in the prefrontal cortex, where we start to think more, more in more complex ways about what do I want to do with my life. Do I want to, I want to study philosophy, which myself, people have very different things. And they think very, in very different ways about how they want to be an, an individual adults, no longer a child, who’s part of a family wanting to belong.

Glen Park (17m 57s):
So it’s the, those three lowest shockers in build the separate self, the ego, that in different ways, and then terribly important stages of life. But they’re also the stages where we get our worst wounding. We get, we get wounded in those lowest shakras okay. Much more in anywhere else. Yes. So then the heart shakra the next stage of development is where we can begin to heal those wounds. The heart chakra opens us to a whole other realm of experience. It’s where we have those really deep feelings of appreciation of nature, of beauty, of love, of compassion, all these really deep feelings.

Glen Park (18m 42s):
Whereas the lowest shakras that, that is the pleasure in the second chakra. The third chakra is about feeling self confident and proud, you know, but then there’s this deep sense of connection with nature in the heart chakra connection with other people, connection with animals and that energy, it actually measurably expands when we have those sorts of feelings. The, the, I don’t know if you know of the HeartMath Institute. Of course. Yes, yes. Say they have measured the electromagnetic field around the heart, which is much greater than around the head. And when we have feelings of appreciation of gratitude, of love, of loving beauties, the electromagnetic field around our body expands.

Glen Park (19m 29s):
Yes. And so you could see that as the beginning of measuring the aura actually become a bigger person because we have this energetic field around us, which gets bigger with the heart shakra and the heart Shakar looks down at the lower shakras with loving compassion, that’s enough to heal. Being able to accept and love ourselves, allows healing to occur. We don’t have to completely lose the wounds. Our wounds can be useful for developing compassion for others. We just have to love and accept our woundedness as part of our journey, which we’ve learnt from.

Glen Park (20m 9s):
And so that opens the door. As soon as that expansion in the aura happens, there’s a huge expansion of energy from the crown chakra down through the top of the head, into the body, that’s bringing inspiration, intuition and enlivening, the upper shakras and simple words for the upper chapters. There are three very profound, moral principles that philosophers might suggest, which are love. And that’s the heart shakra truths, and that’s the throat chakra and wisdom. And that’s the shakra love Truth and wisdom.

Glen Park (20m 49s):
These as the heart shakra opens, it brings us in touch with the upper shakras more. And we tell it was us to a spiritual level because that’s, that’s a purely psychological level. The throat shakra is, is how we express ourselves, how we communicate. And if we haven’t done any self healing, we will communicate our woundedness. That’s how it will. We will ex you know, that we will, I’m saying with the eye shakra, if we’ve had a very wounded childhood, we will see the world through those wounded lenses is awful. You know, people are nasty, whatever, but as this, as the heart opens and the spiritual level opens, and we understand compassionately that woundedness, then we’ve begun become wise.

Glen Park (21m 37s):
We see the world in a much broader perspective, a much wiser perspective and a much more optimistic perspective so that, you know, we feel happier. We feel more positive about what we can give to the world at what, and I’m with the throat. Shakra we, we lose the false self that has expressed our woundedness. And we begin to develop the true self. Yes, we speak our truth. We get, let go of all those ways. We’ve adapted to fit into the world. And then finally, if we are lucky, yes, develop spiritually. We can arrive at the crown chakra, which is always open.

Glen Park (22m 17s):
And it’s a consciousness that’s beyond even not expanded consciousness, the upper chakras, the upper chakras, give us a bigger self, the lower chakras, give us the small self, but the crown chakra moves right beyond the self where we become one with the universe we, we experienced non-dual consciousness, and that’s, that’s a whole other realm than some people are lucky enough to experience.

Christine Okezie (22m 46s):
Thank you. I have never heard someone explain it so eloquently. And, and just so you know, relatedly. So thank you for that. And beginning with, you know, that, I mean, there’s a lot to, to really unpack there, but the entry point is life is a developmental journey and it’s a matter. And, you know, in, in the work that we do, it’s, you know, looking at the lens that we choose to view life through, and that makes such a huge difference. So the chakras are really, I think, as you say, in your book, this embodied consciousness, you know, that we work through amazing. And I love the distinction, the relationship it’s useful to understand, you know, the lower chakras, the heart chakra being the game-changer as you call it in the book.

Christine Okezie (23m 34s):
Right. And then the, and then the upper chakra is, so there’s this sense as you walked us through that, there’s, there’s this evolution, you know, there’s this active dynamic process that’s happening. So how can we facilitate that? You know, and I guess a good way to start is what are some examples of folks who are struggling with some imbalances in the lower triangle, in the lower chakra system?

Glen Park (24m 1s):
Okay. A lot of people in the culture we live in are struggling with that base chakra. Okay. Because the base shakra, it’s our connection to the earth. It’s what grounds us. And our culture is getting less and less grounded. If you compare it to indigenous tribal cultures, their li their connection to the earth is so much more real. So I think we can all build strength and support in our basis.

Christine Okezie (24m 35s):
Chakra, great place to start. Yes. Okay.

Glen Park (24m 39s):
Certainly no simpler ways to do that. Just walking in nature is always grounding, but walking really mindfully beginning by really noticing that your legs and feet are doing this incredible job. How are you through the world? Just feel how the weight falls on the heels and then the front of the foot, how the legs support you and just really mindfully walk and let it, you know, allow yourself to be really in touch with your own animal body, which the base shakra governs. Beautiful. And then notice what’s going on in the natural world, around you.

Glen Park (25m 22s):
Even if you’re on a street pavement, just look at the weeds that’s growing. Just notice that life just push us through wherever you are. There are insects and birds and creatures stay. Yes. And have a sense that you’re part of that. You’re part of that natural world. You’re not some machine outside of it watching it and thinking, Oh, that’s nature. And this is me. And I’m separate. You’re an animal. You’re an animal walking through this world as well. Yes. I think this is terribly important because I think it’s linked to the fact that we’re allowing this environmental well, several environmental disasters to happen and that if we could really accept and love and take care of our inner animal, I think we would accept and love and take care of our planet a lot better.

Glen Park (26m 17s):
So I think there’s a smart, important knock on effect with our relation to our own base, Shakur our own grounding, our own inner animal and our relationship to this world that we’re treating with such disrespect. Just, just think about that base. Shakra what are the words that were used to describe it? Mainly swear words what’s happening in, in the pelvic floor. That’s Right. We sweat pain in the butt, right? Yeah. So, you know, if the culture has rejected that, and I think we are paying for it in the way that our planet is, is getting damaged by.

Glen Park (26m 58s):
Yes. Yes. So that’s the bit, I mean, there are specific stories I could tell, but I think there’s a general story with the base shop. It was so important for all of us. The second chef I’ll give a particular example. Someone came to see me who had done a lot of Alexandre work, but he knew I worked with the shakras as well. And he wanted to work with both things. He was a very nice young man. And so I started working on him and I tuned into the first and second chakras, which I do by putting a hand under the lower back, you know, he lives fully clothed on the table.

Glen Park (27m 44s):
And I’m putting a hand on under the lower back where I can have a sense of the first and second chakras. And while his first chapter was flowing fine, his second shot. And I also had a hand on his lower abdomen. His, his second chapter was numb. And then his third chapter was a bit was agitated, I would say. But I, I, I thought the problem is fundamentally in the second chakra. So I said, tell me a bit about your childhood. What was happening in your childhood? How, what, what, how was it? And he said, Oh, well, when I was a young child, I grew up on a Greek Island. It was still sick.

Glen Park (28m 25s):
And my, I have one Greek parent, one English speaking parent, we all spoke Greek at home. I played with Greek friends on the beach every day. This is up until the age of eight when he was sent to an English boarding school, dear, Oh dear. He was living in paradise. And suddenly he’s not only got to deal with English climate, which starts in September. It just gets steadily worse for the banks. Yes, yes. This is True. But, but he had to learn English as his first language. He was a Greek speaker.

Glen Park (29m 4s):
Wow. So, and, and also he only was able to go and visit his family once, twice a year. He said for Christmas and summer, very dramatic the holidays, he was stuck in this awful country that we live in. Oh, dear. Well, a lot of contrast. Yes. And boarding schools with a very, you know, the English boarding school system was, was, was very unkind. It was not a nice place to live. Really lots and lots of men who, particularly who talk about the woundedness they got from Netflix. Yeah. I can understand that. So we w w but the good news was that from one to eight years old, he’d had a perfect life.

Glen Park (29m 47s):
So what we did was we started to connect him to that younger child. That was very happy. He started to do lots of fun things like did a lots of walking and swimming and going to the beach and so on and building strength in the happy child. He had a sort of happy child and a son child. So he started to really support and love the child that had then been neglected from eight onwards. And that helped a lot. And then that started to get the energy flowing in that shakra and he treated that unhappy wounded child with compassion. I can feel safe to work through and build some strengths and support.

Glen Park (30m 31s):
And he actually began to run courses his work for young, for young people, beautiful to go out into nature and have fun. And, Oh my goodness, that became his work. So, so that’s how we hear listen to it. And you don’t have to heal ourselves. We can heal other people who’ve. Yeah. So they don’t have the same problems.

Christine Okezie (30m 53s):
So healing all around. That’s beautiful. Thank you for connecting again, all of that wonderful examples, you know, the really understanding that, you know, the, the woundedness actually becomes something that we can connect, you know, our current experience relating back to some wounding in our past, and then having the intention of connecting to something different in the present to heal the past. Right. Very powerful work in this regard, you know, very powerful work. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Thank you. So you mentioned you talk about in your book when we’re talking about the third chakra now. Yeah. So moving on, you know, you said it’s, you’re, we’re, we’re, we’re kind of finding our sense of self and what we’re going to do, you know, and who we’re going to be in this world.

Christine Okezie (31m 40s):
You talk about the inner voices of the third chakra, and I think this goes a nice place to dovetail, please share at that. Cause it’s just a beautiful framework. Yeah.

Glen Park (31m 50s):
With the third chakra, we are becoming more thinking that second chakra is much more emotional sensory. And while there is emotion and obviously in the third chakra, it we’re beginning to think and make judgements a lot more. And we can develop a very harsh in a judge that I call the inner critic. And this can, this can be a great cause of wounding, actually. Especially if we have critical parents, we start to develop a very critical inner judge. So one of the things I do when I’m working with the shakra is help people to build an inner champion that, so we have a balance between a voice that can think, no, nothing wrong.

Glen Park (32m 36s):
There can be no harm. We have done nothing. We are wonderful. And the other critical voice. And so the, in the champion, the sorts of things I might suggest to somebody is that they start off by just writing down everything that they own, that they feel pleased about. So, you know, they, they really like their clothes. They really like their home, their flats, the car, the pictures that ornaments their furniture, whatever it is, anything that you think I’m so glad I’ve got that little sculpture on the table, you know, I’d really liked that come blow whatever it is. So you, you just write down and really noticed yourself things you own.

Glen Park (33m 20s):
That’s the simplest one. The next thing is, write down all the things you’ve achieved from very, very simple things. Like I used to help my mother a lot when she was getting older, I, you know, I was a good son to her or, or a good daughter or son to, to, you know, I passed exams. I became very skillful at plumbing or whatever the skills are that you’ve developed. And so you write a list of all the achievements, which can be about a career, but that can also be about relationships in life. So you couldn’t say I built a very good relationship with my first boyfriend.

Glen Park (34m 1s):
You know, we have add whatever it come. And you were allowed to treat boyfriends, like things that, you know, you’re allowed to see it as a, as an achievement. Whereas I understood a lot more to it than understood. Yeah. And then having gone through that area of your, you know, your whole life, look at your qualities, your personal qualities, actually, you might want to sit and look in the mirror. What is it about yourself that you think actually I’m laughed at? I’m a kind person and I’m flat. I’m an intelligent person. I’m not the creative artistic, or I’m the, I’m a sporty person. I’m blood, you know, all the things that you feel pleased about in terms of your personality and your gifts, personal qualities, write those down.

Glen Park (34m 48s):
And, and after those, how this part of all, for most people, this, I find your physical qualities. That’s where the mirror helps actually look in the mirror and think, well, what do you like? Did you like your hair? Do you like your face? Do you like your eyes, your lips, what parts of yourself, of your body do you like just nice hands, whatever it is, just write them down and start to build the sense of an inner champion. And then what you can do next is take one of those, perhaps one of your achievements, you know, I’m a CA or a quality, I’m a kind person. And then you’ll not notice you might have noticed all the time you were writing this down, actually that your inner critic jumps in and says, well, the other day, when such and such happened, you weren’t very conscious own.

Glen Park (35m 35s):
So yes, yes. And then you need to have a dialogue. You need to be able to allow the inner champion to say yes, while there was a reason for that. This is why I wasn’t at my best, you know, partly to do with me, partly to do with that person. And so on. So the, in the champion argue your case and slowly you build a critical friend, the inner child, the inner critic, just attacking you. There are times when you need an inner critic, you could have done something really unkind. Sure. The voice says, I shouldn’t have been that mean to that. You need that voice, but it needs to be in balance.

Glen Park (36m 16s):
It needs to listen to the inner champion and not be just a critical voice. So getting the inner critic and the inner champion into balance, it’s one of the tasks of the solar plexus chakra, the third chakra.

Christine Okezie (36m 29s):
I love that. I love that. Thank you. Okay. So another way to really make it practical. How do we integrate that third chakra energy, you know, of that sort of inner critic, again, very, very practical. I love that. So you do a wonderful parallel of the current modern research in that’s going on with the chakra system. So you talk a lot about the gut brain.

Glen Park (36m 54s):
Well, you know, we live in a world that’s tended to tell us, you know, for the last a hundred years that, that we’ve got this body, that’s rather like a machine and a brain that is the mind. So our mind is all inside our head. The shutters have a very different story. They say that that consciousness is bodied throughout the whole body and beyond into the aura and expanding into the whole universe. That’s how absent healing occurs. We connect spanned. In-depth infinitely out there. If we’re able, if we learn how to work with our energy. Yes. So, so the chakra system has got a very different idea of mind and body.

Glen Park (37m 37s):
The mind is everywhere. Consciousness is everywhere. This is where my philosophy comes in. Yes, consciousness is primary. And interestingly, the scientific world is beginning to back that up because it’s now telling us that we’ve got the little brain inside our heart. Our heart shelves are 60% neural cells with axonal and dendritic connections with neurotransmitters, just like inside the head. We’ve got a small brain about the size of a cat sprain inside our hearts. And then in our guts, we’ve got 500 million nerve cells embedded inside the intestines 500 million we’ve got, we’ve got an enteric nervous system is the posh word for it.

Glen Park (38m 28s):
I’ve got brain is the one that makes sense to everybody. We’ve yes. Which produces over 90% of our serotonin, which is our feel-good hormone and S and that, so that’s, if that’s developing that hormone inside our abdomen, and that’s exactly where the second chapter is in the lower abdomen, go figure.

4 (38m 51s):
Yeah. All these

Glen Park (38m 53s):
Links are beginning to, with science are beginning to happen. And with the heart chakra, which has been reclassified as an endocrine gland, it’s produces oxytocin, which is the love hormone, the bonding hormone,

4 (39m 8s):
It’s all these links

Glen Park (39m 11s):
Are being discovered by science that have beginning of, to, they’ll have to sort of say, Oh, rest, the shack has arrived.

4 (39m 20s):
I guess, you know, thousands and thousands of years, you know?

Christine Okezie (39m 26s):
Yeah. Thank you for connecting all those dots. It’s really useful. It’s really useful. So yes. So our heart shocker, going back to that, I love the way you call the heart chakra, our inner healer. And again, you you’ve outlined that through love and acceptance. And we know that this, these days there’s so much research on compassion and self-forgiveness. And so here we go again with, with those intersections, I love that you also talk about the true self, and this is a really big part of the authentic self. This is fundamental to the way, you know, I, I learn and teach, you know, and coach is talk to us about the true self and the heart chakra.

Glen Park (40m 6s):
Yes. Well, when that heart shakra opens and as well as the inner healer, it’s also in a witness Shacharit because it witnesses compassionately the lowest shakras, but doesn’t identify with them. It’s that it’s that loving, but separate aspect of our consciousness. And that enables us to evolve. So where I said earlier, the throat chakra is where we express our woundedness, unless the heart’s open, that’s the heart opens and we witness and experience the world in a different way. Not so ruled by our woundedness.

Glen Park (40m 49s):
We’re able to let go of, of that woundedness. And that’s the, that’s where the true self, the authentic self can evolve. It’s the journey from the heart shakra to the throat chakra. And it’s, it’s the most powerful journey I do. What I always want. I want to say it’s a, such a similar in the Christian Jew, the Judeo-Christian capitalist system, which has this, this image of a tree of life. I don’t know if you know, the tree of life has three columns and the, and it has a you journey up in a similar way as you do through the chakras and the heart.

Glen Park (41m 30s):
chakra the journey from the heart to the throat chakra they say it in the tryout, which is like a triangle station. And in the Chaka system, the throat chakra is called purification. This will do is the Sanskrit. The name of the throat chakra is the Sanskrit word for purification. So the journey long, your heart opens you kind of think, Oh, yes, I’m not really this person. That’s just a person I created to cope with the difficulties of childhood and quite different. This is who I am really. I’m really an artist or I’m really whatever it is, you know?

Glen Park (42m 10s):
Yeah. So you, you you’d make this journey from the heart to the throat, which is a journey of losing the false self and finding the true self. And for some people, this is a blissful journey. This is an easy and lightening awakening journey. And for some people, it is the dark nights of the soul. It’s where you face your demons. You realize what an awful way you’ve behaved in. So, and so-and-so, it’s different for everybody, but there are different paths of purification. Some have it easier than others.

Christine Okezie (42m 45s):
Oh my gosh. Thank you. I love that. Again, I’m getting the, you know, the understanding that it’s really that flow, that dynamic energy flow that we got come into a different perception or a different awareness. And we connect to our own, our own wounds, our own vulnerability in that regard. And that’s so beautiful because then we are not defined by it, I guess, is really what it comes to. We step into to your point, our true identity. I love this. Okay. So I guess the, the, the, the main healing energy in this work really comes from the heart.

Glen Park (43m 25s):
It does. It does. And when you think that the Heart Math Institute has shown that when we have those feelings, we get bigger. I mean, they literally literally come up, pick a person. And what they’ve also discovered is that we interact at much electromagnetic where our electromagnetic field influences people that are in contact with it. So, so you may have found yourself in some kind of relationship, whether it’s personal or career with some divot, you found just left, you feeling utterly miserable. Well, it’s quite possible that their electromagnetic field was influencing yours.

Glen Park (44m 8s):
And alternatively, you might have found there’s somebody that you worked with or lift with just raised your spirits and your, you might be being healed by their electromagnetic field. We’re interacting at that auric level with each other all the time.

Christine Okezie (44m 24s):
Yes. Yes. And, and to bring it back to what you, your first experience was, if you were not aware and maybe have some tools that can be quite, you know, disruptive in one’s life. Yeah. Yeah. So how do you recommend or teach or guide your clients to, to make sure that they stay sovereign and self-contained so they can self-regulate because this is a big, you know, understanding around we are all energy.

Glen Park (44m 58s):
Yes. Yes. And it’s, it’s just about visualizing protection when you need it. Now, we don’t need protection all the time. If we’re feeling in a safe space, it’s not good to create boundaries around ourselves. So I, you know, and especially if you’re a healer or a therapist, you actually want those electromagnetic fields to interact in a good way, in a good way. The secret is to become conscious. So in situations where you feel safe with the people around you, you feel positive. You feel there’s a good experience happening.

Glen Park (45m 37s):
You, you don’t need to protect yourself. You want to expand and interact at that or it level. But when you don’t feel safe, I mean, the example I usually take is when you’re traveling on the underground, you call it, we call it something different.

Christine Okezie (45m 52s):
Yes. The train, the subway. Yes. Public transportation. Yes.

Glen Park (45m 56s):
Going on the subway time to protect yourself. Great wait, but you need, so there are several things you can do. You can be conscious of your shoppers. Now it’s a psychological level. The shockers are always open. And that’s how it is. They’re working away, you know, creating your personality, your being and so on. But at a psychic level, you can close them and you can’t close the crown shakra and you can’t close the base chakra because they are there. Their job is to just bring spiritual energy and earth energy into you. But the others you can close, and you can just have a sense.

Glen Park (46m 37s):
I’m just going to just switch off my chakra. I need to switch off my throat chakra yeah, I do a little, you can’t sit, obviously it’s a podcast. So you cut that. I do a little action, you know, pretending I’m closing it down as they grew on it. Whatever’s right. For you just have a sense that you’re just cleansing the psychic level closing level of the heart chakra closing the psychic level of the solar plexus chakra and closing the cycle of lack of, of the sacral chakra, where you work your way down. And then you put around yourself a protective shield, beautiful. For example, a space suit, a space suit. Just imagine you’ve got a big space suit around you, and that’s going to stop any negative energy coming in.

Glen Park (47m 22s):
Alternatively, if you don’t like the idea of walking around in a space, blue, dark blue nurses, cloak, this was actually, they actually considered that a protection in in a hundred years ago. You know, when your nurses wore these deep blue cloaks, so you could have a nurses cloak that goes right down to the ground, as it would have done in those days. And it has a hood on, you can put the hood over yourself and you protect yourself. Oh, you might want to find your own version of, you know, it might be an energetic shield that surrounds you of white light, who something that feels appropriate for you.

Glen Park (48m 2s):
That’s basically you saying to the world and to yourself, I am not letting any negative energy, and this is not going to influence me. Yes. You have to do it through your mind. You have to do it con with consciousness. Yeah. So those are some of the ways that I would do it.

Christine Okezie (48m 21s):
Very helpful. Thank you so much. Okay. So we’re living in very interesting times and you, and you talk very beautifully about this in the book about the inspiration, or I can say the aspiration to moving towards more heart-centered consciousness on the planet. Right. And it’s interesting, you said you cited the fine Torin community as an example of that. And I just, by a couple of previous guests, I had a gentleman who lived at the Findhorn community. So I’d never heard of it. So it was like, Oh, connecting the dots. So beautiful. So, you know, what’s a thoughtful way of, of talking about what you call authentic consciousness, heart-centered consciousness, you know, what are some words maybe you can bring to understanding what’s happening and, and maybe, you know, some hope for where we’re going and evolving?

Glen Park (49m 9s):
Well, I think, I think that what we have to do as a human race is make the transition from dominant solar plexus, shakra consciousness to dominant heart shaft or consciousness. In addition, we do have to ground ourselves. You know, we have to look after our inner animal and inner child, and we have to look after our, in a young adult in the solar plexus chakra. But at the moment, Western culture is dominated by this individualistic, aspirational consciousness. That, and another aspect of the shakra system is that there are channels.

Glen Park (49m 53s):
There are three channels, just as I mentioned in the Kabbalah system, there are three channels in the chakra system. There’s a solar channel, which runs up the right side of the body. And it’s our aspirational individual separate side. And there’s a lunar channel. That’s our relational and pass it connected side. And so the solar channel is that we are a sun shining out the Luna channel. We are a moon reflecting. Traditionally, the solar channels considered masculine the channels considered feminine in the Western world. We’ve got this, these two channels, Oh, there’s a central channel.

Glen Park (50m 35s):
And I’ve not mentioned there’s a central channel too shushmuna. And we need to bring these two channels into balance with very out of balance in the Western, in most of the Western world, there’s too much emphasis on individual aspiration, individual achievement, and not enough emphasis on connection, on taking care of everybody, of giving everybody equal opportunities. So these have to come into balance and as they do the shift to the heart shakra will occur until the solar plexus chakra is imbalanced. We can’t make that shift. So we have to stop putting all our energy into individual aspiration.

Glen Park (51m 21s):
I mean, certainly in this country, we have been so admiring the nurses who have been taking care of people during this pandemic, the doctors, the nurses, and all the many people who are not there to be the stars of the show, absolutely there to support and help each other. And the, you know, the, the words are coming out now, you know, we need a society where this kind of care happens more frequent, more, it’s more taken care of. It’s not something we just, because all these nurses and doctors they’re exhausted, they’ve been working overtime for over a year and they, and they don’t see any end in sight because even when we get rid of the pandemic, there’s all the catching up of all the other illnesses that have been put to one side.

Glen Park (52m 9s):
So we have to bring these into balance. And there are countries that do that, like Norway and Finland and Iceland, there are countries that have got a much more focused on balancing that affiliative consciousness. I call it of the, of the soul of the lunar channel, the achievement consciousness, they need to sell them. So hopefully, you know, one of the positive outcomes of this pandemic is that we start to do that at a cultural level. We start to see the importance of taking care of everyone and that’s happening now in terms of vaccinations, it’s no good. Just vaccinating your country.

Glen Park (52m 51s):
We have to vaccinate globally. We have to take care of the world. That’s going to build our understanding and consciousness about taking care of everyone. And that’s going to move us towards a heart shakra consciousness. And that’s where all the solutions will start to happen for the world and for ourselves, I believe.

Christine Okezie (53m 12s):
Thank you so much for that. This such a beautiful, you know, frame for all of this. Again, you know, microcosm, macrocosm is what comes, what comes to mind here, right? I love the way you draw that. Thank you. Oh my gosh. We just have a couple of minutes left. I would love if you would maybe lead us in a very short guided visualization. You, you do a lovely job doing that in your book.

Glen Park (53m 36s):
I probably need to close my eyes myself in order to do this. I’m going to sit and I’m going to make sure that both my feet are on the floor and that my hands are resting on my legs. And I’m now going to think about my contact with the floor, my contact, with the seat of the chair that I’m sitting in my contact with the floor, bring your attention to the fact that your, your body is supporting you. Your weight is falling down right down into the center of the earth and the earth is supporting you. This is Newton’s law of action and reaction.

Glen Park (54m 18s):
As our weight drops down, the earth supports us. Just have a sense we’re supported by this wonderful planet that we are sitting on. And then also have a sense that at the center of that earth, there is a glowing red fiery energy and let that red energy travel to the outside of the earth, cooling down, but staying a red, glowing lights that comes in through our feet, through our legs, into our base, shakra lighting up the base. Shakra at the tip of the Cox suits. This is our inner animal.

Glen Park (54m 58s):
That’s keeping us alive. It’s our instinctual energy. And just let that energy from the earth, fetus and nourishes and see that glowing energy source at the tip of the tip of the bottom of the spine. The glowing energy spreading that light out across the pelvic floor and out into the aura. And then let that red energy rise up to the next chakra. The sacral shakra, which is at the top of the sacrum. And as it travels up the coccsyx and the sacrum, it changes to a beautiful orange blowing energy source shining out orange light across the lower abdomen and out into the Ora.

Glen Park (55m 43s):
And then let that orange light travel up the spine to the next chapter of the solar plexus chakra, changing to a golden yellow light that shines out across the upper abdomen and out into the aura. These are our three lowest shakras. The base chakras are innner animal shining out in red. How tense the aura, the sacred shakras are in a child shining out into the aura. And the third chakras are in a young adult, glowing, a golden light out into the aura. And now we move up to the heart at the center of the chest center of the thoracic spine, a green, glowing light source that shows this lovely green energy filling our chest, flowing up into the shoulders, down the arms and out of the hands.

Glen Park (56m 40s):
This is the how lovely green healing, energy, self healing, and healing the world. And it can move out of our hands and heal the world as we, as we allow it to. And it’s the color of our natural world. It’s a lovely green flowing energy from that central light source at the center of the chest at the heart. And then moving up to the top of the thoracic spine in the bottom of the neck, that changes to a blue light, a turquoisey blue of bluey green light. That’s our throat chakra energy that also shines out across the shoulders, down the arms, out of the hands and up into the neck, into the jaw, into the ears.

Glen Park (57m 28s):
This is our creative communicator and our potentially our true self that shines out this lovely blue sea blue light into the aura. And then moving up to the top of the spine, the very top of that lung to acceptable joint, it changes to a deep purpley blue light. That is our eye chakra shining out across the head and out into the aura. And that perfectly blue light is our, is our wise wisdom of the eye chakra our creative thinker. And then letting that energy flow into the center of the brain, into the center of the head, to the pineal gland, changing to a pale lavender that shines out as white light out at the top of the head and that white light joins with the white light of universal spiritual energy that’s everywhere.

Glen Park (58m 27s):
And there’s, we think of that upward flow of energy. We nourish it, we increase it. And so the energy downwards through the body that white spirituality flows down through the head, through the shakras through the spine and chakras through the body and through the aura, we are filled with this scintillating white light that makes everything glow and cleanses and purifies the whole body. Moving down through the head, the neck, the shoulders down through the torso, down to the pelvis, down through the legs, the feet and down into the earth.

Glen Park (59m 9s):
So we’re connecting the earth with the heavens. We are connecting earth energy with spirit energy, and this is our purpose on life to bring these two things together, to create half a non a, and we have we’re in the process of taking our next church step on this journey as a human race. Beautiful.

Christine Okezie (59m 31s):
Thank you so much, Glenn. This was lovely. Thank you so much for your time. And, you know, please tell us where our listeners can find you. And are you doing any remote healing sessions now or will you be?

Glen Park (59m 44s):
No, I’m actually in the middle of moving house. I’m moving from the Southeast of the UK to the Southwest. Isn’t very far in U S terms, but it seems like an awfully long way to me. And I’m moving there because I just love the natural world in the Southwest. I grew up my children, I brought my children up there. I’m very connected to it. And I want for my own inner animal to get back to that part of the world forever. I came up here for work reasons, but it’s time to move to my, my home, my spiritual home. I always felt that’s what it was. I’m excited for you. That’s lovely.

Glen Park (1h 0m 24s):
Yeah. Okay.

Christine Okezie (1h 0m 25s):
Okay. All right. Thank you again and good luck with the move and thank you for all that you’re doing in the world as well.

Glen Park (1h 0m 32s):
Thank you for inviting me. Thank you. Bye bye.