Ep#053 Energetic Cellular Healing And Cancer
When we chronically suppress emotions, we create toxicity in our body mind energy system. This unprocessed emotional energy gets stored in our organs, muscles and tissues and unaddressed can lead to acute pain and disease.
I spoke with Tjitze de Jong an energy healer (Brennan Healing Science) , teacher, and complementary therapist specializing in cancer for the last 20 years. In his inspirational book, Energetic Cellular Healing and Cancer, he provides empowering insight into the mental, emotional and spiritual aspects of our immune system.
We explore the correlation between cancer and emotional imbalances and why energetic healing techniques can make a difference in how our bodies cope with, and heal illness.
0 (1s): Welcome to the Soul Science Nutrition Podcast, where you’ll discover that when it comes to your health, you’re so much more powerful than you’ve been led to believe. And now your host, she’s a holistic nutrition and lifestyle coach, chef author, and Yogi, Christine Okezie. Hello and welcome to the Soul Science Nutrition Podcast, I’m Christine Okezie. Thanks so much for tuning in today. So we are emotional creatures and the design of our organism is to express emotions freely and openly. 0 (42s): But depending on your family upbringing, cultural norms and life experiences, we all have a tendency to varying degrees to learn, to bury emotions, to put up walls, to find various ways to cope and soldier on. We do this most often with difficult emotions like shame, fear, guilt, or anger since the unresolved or suppressed emotions are made of energy. Christine Okezie (1m 6s): When they get trapped in the body, they build and fester drain our life force and exert an influence on the physical tissues themselves. When we chronically repress emotions, we create toxicity in the body mind energy system. These unprocessed emotional energies are stored in the organs, in our muscles and in our tissues over time, they can cause acute pain and disease. The basis of energy based medicine is that releasing trapped emotions helps the body heal. Today’s show is a deep exploration of the emotional, mental and spiritual aspects of our immune system. Christine Okezie (1m 52s): My special guest today is Tjitze de Jong a teacher complimentary therapist and energy healer with more than 20 years of experience, specializing in cancer, in his latest, amazing book, Energetic Cellular Healing and Cancer, he provides insight in how the function of ourselves and our immune system and how our energetic distortions in our physical, as well as energetic bodies. i.e. our chakras and our aura can lead to illness, drawing on the work of Barbara Brennan. the author ravels the psychological aspects of our energetic defense system and examines where possible blocks might develop and how they can be dissolved. Christine Okezie (2m 36s): In today’s conversation. We explore the correlation between cancer and emotional imbalances and how a certain energetic healing techniques can make a difference in how our bodies cope with and heal and recover from illness. What I love about the conversation is that tits or recognizes and emphasizes that before healing of physical body is possible, an individual needs to recognize the self limiting and self debilitating beliefs and behavioral patterns to say goes on to share that once a person starts to engage in deep inner work, they are able to start releasing these patterns, move towards regaining their autonomy, and eventually better health tits have founded the energetic cellular healing school in 2007 and has helped to share healing skills with hundreds of practitioners around the world. Christine Okezie (3m 34s): He is based in the spiritual community of fine Findhorn, Scotland, and I really hope you enjoy today’s very special show. Hello. Tjitze said, it’s such a pleasure to have you here today. Welcome to the podcast. Tjitze de Jong (3m 46s): Hello, Christine, thank you for having me and that’s have a good time together. Christine Okezie (3m 50s): How did you become an energetic spiritual healer specializing in cancer. What was your path? Tjitze de Jong (3m 56s): What was my path basically first worked in bookshops and as a published author in the Netherlands, in the ancient Friesian languages, Richard on mother’s dunk, and then through basically living in the Findhorn foundation, the sprints of community in Northeast of Scotland, I did a few massage courses just for the fun of it. And when the moved to Summerlin Tibetan temple in the Southwest of Scotland, I started to give massage session over there by donation, and it became so successful that I rented the cottage got on treatment table, got business cards and set off basically. Tjitze de Jong (4m 37s): And then during these massages totally spontaneous, I saw all kinds of strange energetic phenomena, which I really did not know what they meant at that moment. I pulled black strings out of people’s throat. I, I apparently took a spell that a grandmother had put on a client of mine, took a spell out of her. So her immune system was suddenly totally activated as you were healthy forever after all these kinds of things that are so on. That note is personal to me. I didn’t know what it was until I found in the local library of Lockerbie the same locally or the big Pan-Am crash in 1988. It was a big stone American connection there. Tjitze de Jong (5m 19s): I found that the book by Barbara Brennan called hands of lights and there certainly were all my questions answered and I thought, okay, I’m not ready for a psychiatry. There are more people who see, this are more people who do this. There is even a school about it. So within two weeks of finishing reading Barbra’s book, I went to Denver to an introduction weekend of a school. And as soon as it stepped basically into that weekend and met Barbara and met white Buffalo and met Lori keen and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, I knew this is what I need to do. This is path. I was totally 30 focused. Tjitze de Jong (6m 2s): So I enrolled in the school and graduated in 2001. And if you say years later, I graduate also as a teacher in the whole modality, after which I set up my own healing school over here on the banks of river fentanyl, very beautiful spot where I live and, and the school stopped existing last year, partly through COVID because people can’t get it together anymore. So in a fairly short nutshell, Christine that’s been my path, but I could talk hours about it. Christine Okezie (6m 39s): I love it. Thank you. It’s wonderful how it really all unfolded. So, you know, so clearly for you. I love that. Yeah. So in your wonderful book, explain when you say in the book, you’ve come to believe through the vast experience you’ve had that the causes of practically every physical disorder illness, including cancer is psychosomatic. Help us understand that Tjitze de Jong (7m 7s): Basically the word psychosomatic means psychological and physical and the word and the section of the word of psycho. So spirit and emotion comes before somatic. So basically the word is 30, correct? Because if we live our life out of balance, if we do things that is not good for our spirit is not good for our health, it goes against basically our divine will then basically we create distortions in our energetic field. We create a store shins energy blocks in our aura and in our chakras, the main seven chakras of the whole chakra system from root to crown. Tjitze de Jong (7m 50s): And if these distortions remain in place for a short period of time, no problem, because then life and rest and taking space and going on holiday, whatever, we’ll sort it out. And we’ll rebalance things. If these distortions stay in place for any length of time in months or years or decades, then slowly that whole energetic imbalance filters through the lower levels of the, of the aura into the physical body. And then it becomes manifest indeed as a somatic physical disease. Christine Okezie (8m 25s): Yes. Okay. So in that regard, how important is it to really pay attention to our body’s messages? What’s the key. Tjitze de Jong (8m 35s): Exactly. Exactly. And our body gives us these messages. Our body gives us symptoms, but it gives us signals so that we can listen to it. And if we indeed listen to it and listen to the deepest significance of the message and the symptom and the signal that body is giving us, then indeed we can restore it before it becomes in any serious illness. And if you ignore it, or if you plaster it over with medication or antidepressants or whatever else, then basically earned a niece, the working of this or this temporary medication, the wound, the block, the energy, the lack of energy flow, still faxes and corrodes inside the physical body. Tjitze de Jong (9m 21s): And that festering and corroding is basically the whole process, which creates serious illness Christine Okezie (9m 29s): And eventually potentially cancer, something as serious as cancer. Yeah, exactly. Okay. And can you talk us through, like, what is some of the techniques that you specialize in with the energetic cellular healing work? How do you get to that root cause? Tjitze de Jong (9m 47s): The main tool that I used and Christine is extra sensory perception, high sense perception. So basically I have through experience and through studying with Barbara Brennan and New Jersey, Florida, I have created a very strong, extra sensory perception. So like here, what the average person isn’t here, I can see what average person doesn’t see. I can feel what average person doesn’t feel, but it doesn’t mean that I’m special because anybody can see feel and hear that everybody got extra sensory or high sense perception that you’re not special, but I just made it my path. I’ve trained in it. I’ve developed it. And especially by being a teacher over here at a boarding school, then I really fairly strongly developed my high sense perception. Tjitze de Jong (10m 35s): And so through when I sit opposite a client, for example, and we go through the whole intake of the first session to get the medical and symptomatic background with the client. Okay. I hear the words that the client speaks or write them down on client file, but mainly I observed them energetically with what they say and how they say it. How does their aura react? How do the chapters react? And that gives me so much information about where to work, how to work, which specific healing techniques to use. And then it comes down to the healing techniques of cleansing the aura, repairing levels in the aura, restructuring chakras, restructuring, physical organs, doing fifth level of spiritual surgery, where the guides work through me and perform surgery as if the hospital, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, but in finito, Christine Okezie (11m 29s): Beautiful. That’s amazing. That’s amazing. And it’s really useful to understand that these are capacities or capabilities that we all possess, but it is a matter of skill building. Tjitze de Jong (11m 41s): Yeah. It’s a matter of skill building. It is a matter of indeed studying and a matter of finding your passion in life and with, with what I said, when they gave massages the beginning, I did it with such a passion unbeknown to me. I just, that’s how I live. I live life as best, you know, otherwise I die, which is not good for me. So I live, I gave a massage with such a passion that indeed energetically things totally opened up for the clients unbeknown to me because I’ve worked in a higher frequency of energy than the client was was, was, was capable of. So the energetic blocks shifted from the clients. Tjitze de Jong (12m 22s): And then when indeed learned it at about a renter school, I simply knew my passion. And I followed that for the last 20, 26 years. Christine Okezie (12m 31s): Thank you. That’s amazing. So the healers or the practitioners energy frequency is really critical and really important. It’s a big part of the patient client healing process. Yeah, yeah, Tjitze de Jong (12m 44s): Yeah. That is indeed a big part. And it is with energy, the same as with water water, as you all know, flows from the highest to lowest point, it comes from, from a well or rain or whatever from the top of the mountain, goes through the triplets and goes through the river into the sea or the other Lake. Yeah. And it’s the same with energy, with energy here and clients, the energy healer needs to have a higher frequency of energy than the clients. What advise energy flows from clients to healer, which is not what the client comes for. That’s why it’s one of the responsibilities of a healer during the always embody a higher frequency of energy than the client. Tjitze de Jong (13m 24s): And living over here in the Findhorn foundation is a community of ours. We kind of get very advanced, spiritual people over here who give workshops. We’ll give teachings who give lectures and to indeed work energetically on people from such a high frequency that challenges me to still have a higher frequency to them. And then we have wonderful, energetic fireworks happening because we reach frequency of energy. That is just awesome. We happen to tell them back and forth what lunch is then or whatever else, grateful. It’s great, fun work. Wonderful. Christine Okezie (14m 0s): What, what do you do in, in order to just in your regular self care to maintain your, and I’m going to use the term because I’ve heard it in other systems of healing, energetic hygiene, you know, what do you do to just on a regular basis for your self-care? Because again, in the work that I do as well, you know, the personal and professional self-care, they overlap, right? Because you’re on your own instrument. So I’d be so curious to, you know, what is your practice for maintaining your vibration and your connection to your higher self? Tjitze de Jong (14m 36s): Basically, Christine, I’m a down to earth farmers, son from the Netherlands. So I’m very grounded and very physical. And it’s in the physical that I mainly do my self-care. So basically every morning I start with drinking two pints of cold herbal tea, which had been seeping overnight and can be ginger nettle, then the line, which are many picked from the garden, that kind of stuff. And also three, four times a week, I jump in the river and that is 12 months a year. So sometimes break through the ice in the air to get in the river. And that really boost the immune system that really okay, it’s cold, but afterwards I glow like anything. Tjitze de Jong (15m 18s): And the whole rest of the day, my energy level is high and strong. And yeah, and for example, I don’t have a car, I don’t have a driver license, so I cycle everywhere. So all that kind of old kind of healthy physical discipline really challenges me and makes it totally opiods that I keep the healthy physical balance. And then my energy flows. So for example, people think that in my kind of work, I do a lot of meditation. No, I don’t barely very rarely meditate. Basically. My meditation happened when I work with clients where they’ve got no meditation, practical, fairly a physical practice, and it works for me and it works for me. Tjitze de Jong (16m 4s): So, and that’s the thing with the approach of being, of, of looking after yourself. Every individual has to find their specific way of it works with them. And it can be unusual, but do that for other people that is singing hard rock songs. Why not? Christine Okezie (16m 23s): I love that. I love that. Yes. It’s such an important thing for us to be able to make it personal and make it work for us in our lifestyle. Tjitze de Jong (16m 31s): Let me tell you one little anecdote, Christine. Yeah. Whenever I was teaching here. So we’re teaching them two groups more or less. So that is 50 days a year. I was teaching. Yeah. Almost every morning at clear to the whole big teaching room. It is double, double glazing. So to soundproof, so neighbors don’t hear anything. Yeah. And I put deep purple exactly. Live in Japan, the album, the first song highway star, it’s a highway started very spiritual kind of style, like kind of song. And that’s what it does my head off and go into heart. I go into alignment. Tjitze de Jong (17m 11s): I go into core star. I go into all this kind of wonderful high frequencies whilst indeed sway to deeper, Christine Okezie (17m 18s): Amazing sound, a powerful sound current. Yes. Tjitze de Jong (17m 22s): And my students, when they arrive, they know that I’m aligned, then they can feel that level of my energy . Christine Okezie (17m 28s): Yes, yes. Yeah. The body really is this amazing instrument. And it’s such a, you know, so many ways to tune it, you know, to its, to its highest potential. Really. We’re just, I think, learning and discovering more every day. So I love this work. Thank you. Now, what are some maybe special precautions and you, you talk about this in the book. It’s, it’s very clear. There’s some special precautions that people should understand about cancer and energy healing. And I don’t think it’s enough. People are aware of that. I’d love for you to share your insights and your knowledge base about, you know, if someone is recovering from cancer or has a cancer diagnosis, and they’re interested in exploring energetic healing, what are some things that they should be mindful of Tjitze de Jong (18m 15s): With cancer? Christine, it is one unhealthy aspect is with canceling compared to all other diseases. As far as I can tell that cancer cells have a nasty habit of indeed procrastinating. They metastasize, they grow when they get fed more energy. Yeah. Energy healing on a cancer patient. We it’s wonderful for the rest of the body to get energized and to get cleansed energetically. So the techniques that we use, but it is not healthy for cultural cells to be energized because we do not want to feed into them. And we do not want to encourage them to metastasize. Tjitze de Jong (18m 55s): So therefore at the Barbara Brennan School, in the fourth year in, for me in 2000, 2001, we learned the technique how to isolate the cancer area, energetically and put basically aluminum foil around it almost. And then indeed we can work with the whole rest of the body and cleanse it and repair it in whatever way we feel is needed. But the cancerous area does not get fed, does not get energized. And that is very important for people with cancer. So that’s why also at the moment, because I’m in the process of moving house. So at the moment I don’t see clients and quite often I work with a, with a waiting list. Tjitze de Jong (19m 40s): So then I recommend my, and any client who would like set you to me. I recommend it to either connect with graduates of my own school who have learned how to work with cancer in the same way, or I lead I, and if that’s not possible for them, then the recommend to specifically ask a healer that they connect with to specifically ask them, do you have experience with cancer? And if they feel doubtful about it, don’t do sessions with them because it is so important because the clients at such a moment puts their life, put their wellbeing into the hands of the, of the practitioner. And that’s the same with the medical profession has with the complimentary profession, both fully trust, the person that we work with because then the client can start the surrendering process. Tjitze de Jong (20m 31s): Ah, Christine Okezie (20m 31s): Okay. Thank you so much. Yes, there. And there’s that. So when it comes to, you know, the effectiveness of energetic healing that you provide, how, and you give so many powerful stories in your book, you know, real accounts, some are more, if I can say more surrendered or more, they have more buy-in than others. Some don’t have any buy-in. Their families are really the engine behind them pursuing this course. Can you speak a little bit about the power of the client, patients, intention or understanding even of what’s happening? Tjitze de Jong (21m 10s): It’s very important. And the lack of that, he used the word intention because you used that word a lot. Myself also, when, when, when teaching it’s very important that the client has indeed a positive intention towards their own health, their own wellbeing and towards their own future. And therefore in that process, they need to put themselves and their healing process first. And if they don’t do that, for whatever reason B might comply, they might hold back. They might want to please their partner, their parents and children, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Then indeed they do not fully focus on themselves. It is within themselves that the disease has occurred. Tjitze de Jong (21m 53s): It is within themselves that the healing needs to occur. So in that way, in the, in that way, the intention is very important. Like my first ever counselor client that I worked with whom were called Sylvia black, who lives here in Clinton, in the community, she’s from South Africa. And she was really fairly, fairly, fairly ill skin over bone couldn’t lie pain-free anymore on treatment couch. He was really absolutely at death’s door, but you have the vision. So you have to visit Christine that if she would have a 60th birthday, he would organize Sylvia’s ball, a big party, a big feast in our beautiful universal hall in the federal community. Tjitze de Jong (22m 40s): And everybody would be there. She held that vision and come her 60th birthday. She was in their healing process and she had her party and it was awesome. The place was filled with the rafters and she could even leaning very weakly on a piano, sing a song. It was shifted touching experience. And like now 15 years later, she’s still totally alive, fully alive and plays and coaches tenders and travels the world and et cetera, et cetera. So there’s always hope the exactly. Thank you. There’s always hope. And that’s why the first publication I wrote and self-published cancer healers perspective, the title list and there’s the, the subtitle is insight messages and stories of hope because it is so important that people have hope in life hope is positive. Tjitze de Jong (23m 35s): And that is quite often in contrast with the medical profession where for whatever reason, they almost feel they need to indeed give the worst case scenario to the clients. So these are quite devastating messages of no hope quite often from the medical profession. And it can see the reasoning behind it. I’ve got no problem with it, but it bombast a client with no hope. And that is unhealthy. Christine Okezie (24m 1s): Yes. So the power of emotion is something that is intimately connected with the, the basis for energetic healing or energetic cellular healing, profoundly important. And you know, the, you identify in your book, it’s just amazing. You go through some of the common, mental, emotional, and spiritual imbalances that you’ve seen over the decades. We’ve been doing this work specifically around cancer. So I’d like to just maybe talk, how do you talk about a few of these imbalances, how they affect the chakra of the ORAS and maybe give a specific example. So for example, you mentioned a little bit ago, this complying compliance, suppressing, you know, putting yourself on the back burner. Christine Okezie (24m 44s): This is a real challenge. These days, specifically, a lot, a lot of the clients that I work with, you know, they’re suppressing a lot. What, what, what should we know about this? Tjitze de Jong (24m 56s): Basically when you comply, you hand part of yourself over to another person or to an institution or two societies rules and regulations and norms and values, which might be ever so laudable, but it might not be usable. You our own rules and regulations. It might not be your norms and values and in for yourself and your spiritual calling and your emotional wellbeing, it remains so important to really connect strongly with yourself in your essence, and what your, what makes your heart sing. And for people to who comply a lot, it stops their own heart from singing and, and the singing of the heart basically sits here along the, what we call the, of light in the soul seats between fifth and fourth chakra and the associated holes in data seat. Tjitze de Jong (25m 54s): So our soul’s longing or desire in this incarnation combined with the hearts desire and the hearts longing. And therefore it is so important to make your heart sing. Do what gives you total joy and happiness. And for myself, Christine, that’s how I’ve lived almost all my life. I create. I strive for happiness. I don’t know if you’re familiar with it, wonderful texts that was found several decades ago in an English church that they see the data starting with plastically admitted noise and haste and et cetera, et cetera. Tjitze de Jong (26m 34s): Two wonderful texts basically of the whole 10 commandments almost from my life. The last sentence of that text is strive to be happy. And if you’re happy, we’ll live lighter on the live. Energetically aligned to the chapters are open it. The aura is more expanded and cleansed and the order then function as a buffer zone to keep all the negative energies, the bad energies, keep them out of our system. Yeah. Christine Okezie (27m 4s): So a good way to understand the aura from this perspective is kind of, it’s like a shield, right? It’s allowing the positive to filter in and preventing the negative from coming in. Okay. Tjitze de Jong (27m 18s): If indeed the aura is healthy and strong and vibrant. Absolutely. Yeah, Christine Okezie (27m 24s): Yeah. Another one would be guilt and shame. So how does that play a role in, in, in creating such imbalance that it can lead to cancer and disease in the chakras and the aura Tjitze de Jong (27m 40s): Phenomena like guilt and shame are mental concepts that you hold. Yeah. Mental concepts that we have done, something that is not okay, that we have done something that we regret and these kind of phenomenal sit in the third chakra, the solar plexus. And basically we then not at peace with ourselves and we are not at peace with what we have done to other people in our own perception, in our own perception. It’s very important understand. And so then indeed, the religion of course, that we have as both people that we relate to the release, of course, from our third chakra to this third chakra, the other person is blocked, is dirty. Tjitze de Jong (28m 27s): It’s mucus is distorted and therefore there’s a lot less positive energy coming into the third chakra, third chapter, solar plexus governance, and energizes the digestive system. So lots of people, indeed, who have guilt and shame for any length of time, get digestive problems, stomach council, like this one example of, of, I don’t know what his name is in the book because in the book at all fictional names, there’s one guy and he is his whole life was Laden with guilt and shame around that. And he died of stomach cancer. Tjitze de Jong (29m 8s): He just couldn’t handle it. And for example, his, his, his guilt, or he started at his birth because his mother during his birth had, was very close to death. So he brought in his perception, he brought trauma into his mother who lives already by being born. Right. So that set a whole master template for guilt. Right. And that it is that kind of very correct that people indeed carry around with them all their lives. And the really good remedy for that. Christine is a really good remedy. Is the song ADP, the French woman. Tjitze de Jong (29m 48s): I don’t know if you know, NPF in USA. No. The other <inaudible>, which means no, nothing regret nothing. Yeah. Christine Okezie (29m 60s): Beautiful. Thank you. So in that regard, you know, in your work and in for the real scope of energetic healing people, I want people to embrace the, the fact that the role of self exploration and, and kind of emotional inner work, you know, is really a parallel process to, to, to hands-on to the working, you know, energetically in the, in the anatomy it’s self. Yeah, Tjitze de Jong (30m 26s): Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. It is just, it’s so interrelated that one simply cannot happen without the other. And that was also one of my, one of my visions or one of my dreams that the medical profession who’s totally focused on so much on the physical that can indeed open up to also this, the psycho, the psychosomatic then, and link in more with that bridge between the psychological and the physical. And when, when I was teaching over here had also several medical doctors to studying with myself. And that really always inspired me because to have this kind of work is energetic work and the psychological work also come into the medical profession is just really totally exciting for me. Christine Okezie (31m 21s): This is the vision, right? This is absolutely the vision and hopefully the evolution. Tjitze de Jong (31m 26s): Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Quite a few of my clients who have healed quite a lot of them would not have healed without the medical profession. And quite a lot of them would not have healed without the energetic healing. It’s a combination of both. And if we can indeed get that balance right. Between the medical and energetic, then, Christine Okezie (31m 53s): Then we have the whole system. Right. We hold Tjitze de Jong (31m 55s): The whole package. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Christine Okezie (31m 58s): And that’s a really important point that you, that you espouse is that it, we don’t have to be in one camp or the other, in fact, they know. Right. And, and, and sometimes that, that rigidity is, is really an impediment to finding the right treatment and the right therapies for somebody. Yeah. Tjitze de Jong (32m 18s): And then since it was a lot also right about in energetic cellar healing and cancer in my book is that it is so important for people when they have been diagnosed with any kind of illness, whether it is cancer or any other illness to go and search for what is my individually best choice to proceed and to restore my imbalance and to find whether it is through nutrition, whether it is energy healing, whether it is through, through, through, through acupuncture, whether it is through the medical profession, whatever it doesn’t matter, but find your own individual way of healing that is so important. So Christine Okezie (32m 54s): Important. And so empowering, you know, once again, I always say the process, retaining your sovereignty, retaining your kind of, you know, you’re responsible. You are a force in your own healing. It’s just that mindset I think is so critical. Tjitze de Jong (33m 12s): Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And that’s why I also, in my book have quite a big section about power and the Powerment because basically on the whole, on the whole, in generalization, yeah. The medical profession, there’s almost, there’s not like the clients, the patients will be in power, but it is for the healing, the, the, the, for the healing process of the client, it is still important for them to feel the power, to obey their own power and fallen the impetus that the power brings them. And then indeed the healing can come, come to the fore basically from their own inner central power. Tjitze de Jong (33m 51s): And they’re in already realized a fairly strong sense of meaning, Christine Okezie (33m 56s): Well said, couldn’t say a better thing. Thank you so much. How do you teach your clients then your patients, clients, as they are recovering after they’ve recovered and they’re on the mend, how do you teach them to maintain and sustain their own energetic health? Tjitze de Jong (34m 11s): That is very different. That is very different. That totally depends on the individual. It totally depends on where the client is at in their emotional background, in the mentor background, in this self-consciousness in their self awareness in this Prince of connection. So it, it, it is basically what to start with is first nutrition. Yes. Because these are simple steps that they can take. Yeah. Everybody can go to a health food shop and get the stuff they need and rebel together with the client and rebel wisdom. What, again, same thing makes the heart sing. Tjitze de Jong (34m 52s): What really brings them joy and what kind of process can they live? What kind of soft discipline, soft discipline can they live with in the daily rhythm? So, yeah, so that they can then in the totally enhance their own self, so wellbeing, because if they get into hard discipline, then we can get in, in indeed against of a sense of rigidity and his fender of having too much to, yeah. And it’s really the same as the tracing, if you are dying for a glass of wine or whatever else with dinner, and at some point have a glass of wine with dinner and fully enjoy it, enjoy it. Christine Okezie (35m 33s): Going back to the pleasure factor, the happiness Tjitze de Jong (35m 36s): Factor. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. Christine Okezie (35m 38s): Because Tjitze de Jong (35m 39s): Otherwise, otherwise, otherwise Haley can feel a punishment. Christine Okezie (35m 42s): Exactly. And you’re not really living, you’re just surviving at that point. It’s so important. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And so I love this quote that you have, you, you write that your body knows best your mind knows your mind knows very little, unless, unless you have mastered the art of unraveling your true self from the program itself, I love this. Right. So share a little bit more about that in your own words. Tjitze de Jong (36m 13s): Well, it goes back to what I asked you about before Christine, to a certain extent, the compliant that you indeed totally follow through in the listening follow. What, what gives you joy? What gives you pleasure and what inspires you? Christine Okezie (36m 29s): What is inner listening? How would you explain it? Tjitze de Jong (36m 32s): You know, listening is, is taking the time, taking the stillness and taking every opportunity possible for you to listen to the signals, the symptoms that your body gives you to every bit of twists of the mind, to how you use words to how you use sentences to listen to what, what is your spiritual connection? And when do you, are you fully in your spiritual connection? And when indeed lose, do you lose your spiritual connection, et cetera, et cetera. So it is a lot of the inner listening goes a lot of hand-in-hand with self-awareness and with a self-awareness you can create a whole template. Tjitze de Jong (37m 18s): You can create a whole picture of what is useful, beneficial health inducing for yourself, and then follow that. Christine Okezie (37m 28s): Brilliant. Brilliant. Thank you. Yes. I think awareness is our super power when it comes to the body and the mind. Yes, I agree. I agree. So in the area of energetic healing right now, what are you most curious about as we, you know, it’s been quite an interesting year and the topic of health is really at the forefront. The topic of mental and emotional wellbeing is really at the forefront. Yeah. Yeah. What are you most curious about, or what are you most hopeful about in regard to this work? Tjitze de Jong (38m 4s): What I’m most hopeful about is that more and more people are waking up to the power of emotion, to the power of positive mindset, to the power of spiritual connection. Because people through lockdown almost all over the world have spent a lot more time on, on their own by themselves, which is not easy, which is for most people it’s not easy, but if indeed it brings them closer to themselves and brings it into a point of, of introducing more moments of stillness and quietude in their life, it can be beneficial and it may well be that through this whole process of, of lockdown of COVID over the last 13 months or so that more people have woken up to indeed the true self. Tjitze de Jong (38m 49s): And then the fact that people have to be a lockdown according to governmental rules and regulations basically brings you to a place of more contemplation with themselves. And that can be, that can be very beneficial, Christine Okezie (39m 6s): Beneficial, or at least very transformative, not necessarily, like you said, easy and pleasant, but definitely transformative. Yeah. Tjitze de Jong (39m 13s): Right. And I say this often to my clients, healing is not always fun. He think it’s not always pleasure. It can sometimes be hard work and can be painful and can be deeply upsetting. Can sometimes feel isolating because again, to the team of compliance, let’s keep that as a red thread, going through those interviews with the complying, if people, if the patient, if the client and it keeps complying, then their social surrounding is at peace with them because then they fit in the framework, that template that is around their life. If they realize through therapy also healing or whatever means that they can no longer comply because it deletes your energy and makes them sick, then the need to partially or totally step out of their social surroundings. Tjitze de Jong (40m 4s): So it can make people unhappy. It can also make the individual unhappy for awhile, but within the individual, they gain more of a sense of self and more of a sense of self love and more of a sense of self-respect. And that again is very deeply empowering for the individual. Yeah. Christine Okezie (40m 23s): Beautiful. Thank you. Then you mentioned the power of community, you know, so when I believe, you know, in, in part, as you mentioned, keeping our own wellbeing, our own energetic frequency up the power of, and we call it Sungut in more traditional communities, right. We call the power of community because energy has momentum. Right. And so if we are in the habit of surrounding ourselves with people who are, you know, not necessarily exactly like we are, but of like-mind enough that this helps us and this helps collectively as well. Tjitze de Jong (40m 60s): Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s, for me, one of the wonderful things of living here in Findhorn, in the, in the sprint. So community, and I’ve been here since 1989, so 32 years. And yeah, it’s basically about a thousand people around the whole area, which part of the wider community around the on foundation and each in their own way, each with their own little niche, each with their own section of interest creates this whole wonderful, diverse community of ours, where we are all, not other like minds, not other like spirit, but we all have a very strong bond in common. Tjitze de Jong (41m 44s): We’re all connected. And that makes us as individuals stronger within this whole context of the community. And it makes the community stronger. Christine Okezie (41m 54s): That’s so beautiful. Yes. Yes. You’re very blessed. Right. We all need to find that community in some way. So healing, what was the biggest lesson for you personally in 2020? Tjitze de Jong (42m 11s): What was the biggest lesson for me in 2020? Well, that’s an interesting question, Christine, basically the question more basically to question more and to question more authorities, to question more, must media, to question more, where do we get our information from the question more, how are we getting programmed or brainwashed or not, or these kinds of things, and rarely do we stand as individual within that whole framework of indeed the input of the masses. So the questioning is so important in that Christine Okezie (42m 53s): Always, right? I mean, and that’s kind of the, the, the kind of, we got forced all into a kind of forced global meditation retreat Tjitze de Jong (43m 6s): Yeah. With the self versus individuals as its epicenter. Christine Okezie (43m 11s): Yeah. What a beautiful affirmation or a very divine lesson in that really? Because that’s the essence essentially of why we’re trying to remind ourselves why we’re here, you know, what is the, what is this whole thing about? And the more that we can, you said, ask questions, be curious. Tjitze de Jong (43m 29s): Exactly. Yeah. And then in your approach to life, in your close to your fellow human beings or other pages be in integrity, act from integrity, and also, especially in integrity with your self, Christine Okezie (43m 45s): Well said, definition of health and wellbeing. Scott, would you like to tell us what you’re up to and where people can? Are you doing remote healing sessions in this transition? Tjitze de Jong (43m 56s): Yes, I do remote healing sessions, as I said, I’m an approach to moving. How’s it remote at the moment they are on hold, but people can get more information on my websites, my full name, and also indeed in the process of leaving, then I will get a totally new website as a whole new website is being created. So when people don’t like the present website, look again one last time, then you get it the same, the same heading the same title, but totally new information because so many things are changing and has changed partly through COVID partly through no longer teaching anymore, the school, et cetera, et cetera. Tjitze de Jong (44m 43s): So yeah. Christine Okezie (44m 45s): When one door closes another opens, I’m getting gathered, I’m gathering from you. Well, I can’t, I can’t to see, I can’t wait to see what you’re going to do next. And certainly we’ll share all this amazing information with our listeners. Thank you for the healing work that you do in the world. Thank you for being such the light and that you carry in the world. I really it’s been really a pleasure to meet you. Tjitze de Jong (45m 6s): Thank you. Thank you, Christine. Really good talking to you. Wonderful light energy yourself. Keep it down. Thank Christine Okezie (45m 12s): You.