Ep#052 Discover Human Design – Your Consciousness Road Map With Erin Claire Jones

I believe that the more we can learn and understand about ourselves the more we can flow with life. Because living aligned with who we really are is how we access our innate creative energy to achieve our happiest and healthiest potential.

Today’s show is about a new cosmic system called Human Design that sheds light on your emotional, psychological and energetic makeup. It’s a practical tool for self discovery that that helps you step into your highest potential in every area of your life.

I take a deep dive with Human Design expert, Erin Claire Jones. Erin is a leadership coach, guide and speaker specializing in Human Design. She has attracted a growing community of over 60,000 people who turn to her teachings for practical tools, digestible tips, and deeper self-knowledge so that they can live with greater ease and authenticity every single day. Erin’s work has been featured in Forbes, mindbodygreen, Well&Good, and Nylon and shared on over 80 podcasts.

I can’t wait for you to listen to our fascinating conversation and discover a super practical way to access your body’s consciousness as a decision-making tool, and ultimately, how to live as your true self.

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Podcast Transcript

0 (1s): Welcome to the Soul Science Nutrition Podcast, where you’ll discover that when it comes to your health, you’re so much more powerful than you’ve been led to believe. And now your host, she’s a holistic nutrition and lifestyle coach, chef author, and Yogi, Christine Okezie. Christine Okezie (22s): Hello, and welcome to the soul science nutrition podcast. I’m Christine Okezie.  Thanks so much for tuning in today. So I believe that the more we can learn and understand about ourselves, the more we can flow with life, because living aligned with who we really are freeing ourselves from environmental conditioning is how we access our innate creative energy to achieve our happiest and healthiest potential. From a yoga perspective, we would call this living a Dharma driven life rather than our karma. When we live in alignment with our true nature, we experience a level of self appreciation and self-acceptance, and instead of constantly manipulating and conforming to something we’re not, we’re able to step up, live out our real purpose in the world. Christine Okezie (1m 15s): Well, sounds great. And imagine if you could have a map that would help you navigate by showing you how your inner guidance system actually operated a map or a manual that gave you detailed information on both the conscious and unconscious aspects of yourself. Well, today we take a deep dive into just that an ancient system called human design with expert Ericn Claire Jones. Erin is a leadership coach guide and speaker specializing in human design. She has attracted a growing community of over 60,000 people who turned to her teachings for practical tools, digestible tips, and deeper self knowledge. Christine Okezie (2m 2s): So they can live with greater ease and authenticity. Every single day Erin’s work has been featured in Forbes, Mind, Body Green Well and Good and Nylon as well as shared on over 80 podcasts. And I am so thrilled and honored to have her here today on our show. I can’t wait for you to listening to this fascinating conversation and discover a super practical way to access your body’s consciousness as a decision-making tool and ultimately how to live as your true self. And if you like the show, I would be grateful if you could please leave a rating and review. And if you haven’t already hit that subscribe button, please do so it helps me keep these messages growing in the world. Christine Okezie (2m 45s): Thanks so much for listening and enjoy the show. Hi, Erin, welcome to the podcast. Thanks so much for being here today. I’m so happy to be here. Erin Claire Jones (2m 54s): Thank you so much for having me. Christine Okezie (2m 56s): Yeah, my pleasure. So you get question a lot, you know, but I, myself am very, very new to the study and, and, and field of human design. What is human design? Erin Claire Jones (3m 9s): Yeah. So human design is a system based on your exact time, date and place of birth. And the idea is that it gives you your energetic blueprint. So what I mean by that is how you’re meant to make decisions and work within teams and cultivate relationships and parent and partner and all the things. And It’s not predictive in any way. It’s not meant to tell you when you’ll meet someone or what specific career you should choose, but rather kind of really gives you a language to understand like your unique operating system and how you might thrive. And I think why I fell in love with human design is just like how tactical and grounded and practical the information is. Like, even though it comes from the stars and can feel so cosmic, the information itself has like, so like you can bring it into your life that day. Erin Claire Jones (3m 50s): And it really gives us so many tools. And the last piece that I would share is that with human design, I so rarely am telling people things they don’t know. It’s like everything that I like always known about themselves, but never like allow themselves to step into. And so I think more than anything, it’s just like incredibly validating and it gives them permission to say, you know what, I’m going to build a business and parent and like work in a way that works for me, even if it looks so different than everyone around everyone. Christine Okezie (4m 14s): Amazing. Amazing. So validating. Yeah. So it’s kind of, we have these hunches and we have these insights, but maybe we don’t know how to take action or, or, or make them work in our favor, right? Yeah, Erin Claire Jones (4m 25s): Yeah. Or trust them, you know, it’s just like, Oh, like, yeah, like this, this person built this business in this way. Like maybe I should try that. And like, maybe it will work, but I think what human design does is it just helps us understand, like, what is your blueprint for success? What is your blueprint for like building and supporting and collaborating and all the things. And I think it just is like, Oh, that actually could have worked for me. Like I know before I discovered human design, like I was trying to be like all the types I was not. And so I think learning by design was like, wow, could I actually like find success showing up in a way that feels authentic, but also isn’t something I’ve seen modeled that much before around me. Christine Okezie (4m 59s): Yeah. Okay. So it’s interesting that you said that because sometimes we are moving in, in a way that’s based more on programming based more on conditioning. Right. And so ultimately, maybe folks can understand that there’s a certain okayness with understanding that we’re just wired a certain way, literally, totally. That, and then life would be easier. Okay. So I’m more, I’m more flow, more flow, but how does human design kind of work with, you know, these patterns from a scientific basis or a DNA basis? There’s I was trying to understand this thing called the neutrino field. Maybe you could, in your own words, like, I’m just curious, it’s not like we need to understand all the details, but when people say comes from the stars, what does that mean? Christine Okezie (5m 47s): Exactly. Erin Claire Jones (5m 48s): So Human dDesign is, well, first what I want to share is that like, I’m definitely not a scientist. And so like, I think that I, you know, people come, we’ll call it human design, a science, it’s not a science and the way that like many other sciences are sciences, like I think that human design is a channeled system. And so basically it has been around since 1987, the founder who’s no longer alive was walking home one day and heard a voice. And the voice was like, it’s time to work. And for basically eight days and eight nights, he like based received all the information and spent the next 20 years building it out. And the way that he received it was like, it was like he went to the end of the quantum system. It basically pulls together so many different ancient modalities and helps them kind of weave them together to give us a blueprint of how we operate best. Erin Claire Jones (6m 30s): So those systems are, you know, the chakra system that Ichin and the Kabbalah, you know, genetics, quantum physics, biochemistry, like all the things. And to kind of like one master system, I work with a lot of skeptics and I work with a lot of people that like, have not really explored systems like this before. And so I think my reminder for them and for the people listening is that my question is never like, is this system true? Like my, my intention is not to try to convince people of it. It’s more just like, is it helpful? And I just find the answer like over and over again, it’s like, Oh my God. Yes. Like, I can’t tell you how many teams and skeptics I’ve worked with that are just like, I don’t want to believe this because it’s so like, it feels out there where they’re like, what you’ve also like, you’re just giving me the most accurate, specific picture around how I work and how my family works and how my team works. Erin Claire Jones (7m 15s): And like, it’s just insanely helpful. So tell me more. So I just like, I want to remind people of that because I think it is like, it’s a system that we’re meant to like use to empower us, but it’s a tool more than anything else. And so the idea with neutrinos is basically there are these kind of like programming protocols that are just like moving through that, moving through the air. And when we’re born, we are programmed in certain ways. And that kind of defines our design by the neutrinos, by the math. That’s kind of coming through us and impacting us based on where the planets are and what’s going on. But again, it’s not programming us in a way where it’s like, this is what you’re going to do with your life. And this is when it’s going to happen. It’s more just like, wow, you really have like a lot of creative energy, you know, or maybe you’re a better suited as a leader or a guide, or maybe you need to sleep on things, but the neutrinos are kind of what helps create our design. Erin Claire Jones (7m 59s): I love that. Thank you. Christine Okezie (8m 0s): Yes. That’s a great, that’s a great explanation and keeps us from getting caught up in any kind of rigidity or dogma around it. Right. So I like it. It’s a tool for kind of empowering us and that’s really, really, really important. So how did you get into this work? You know, how did it impact your life? And, yeah, Erin Claire Jones (8m 18s): It wasn’t the plan. You know, I came from the world of startups. I was always like very interested in business, but I also like simultaneous to that have always just been on my own personal development journey. I’ve done like a bajillion certifications and mostly just like on my own seeking journey. And when I discovered human design in 2015, I was kind of like bridge between the two. I was like, I was consulting with a bunch of startups in New York where I live now. And also just like on my own little, just studying all the things. And I was sitting at a gathering and a guy sat next to me who I’d never met before, never seen before. And he was like, I’d really like to look up your human design. I was like, what does human design? Like? It was so not in the conversation, especially in New York then, like, it wasn’t like a visa on Kauai, but like not in New York. Erin Claire Jones (8m 59s): And I was like, okay, tell me everything. And so basically he did a miniature reading for me and it was so deeply resonant and the end of that conversation. And he was like, and I think that we’re meant to do this together. And I think that you would be great at this. And I think as you build a company together, like he just was like observing so much compatibility in our designs because they were so different yet. Also like, so resident and I was like intrigued, but I wasn’t like, Oh my God. Yes. I was just like, interesting. You know? And then he lived in LA. I was in LA for my own reasons, if you, once or weeks later, I don’t remember, but basically reconnected. And he started showing me how human design could be used to the teams and partnerships and individuals. And I was just like blown away because I think that I had, again, explored so many systems, but I felt like I had been inundated with information, but like never really kind of knew what to do with it. Erin Claire Jones (9m 46s): And I think human design was like so clear, like here’s the information and here are all the tools. And I also, I think coming from that startup background, like I could just so immediately see that this would be useful and companies, and like, it would be so useful and helping people understand how to best function as a unit and work together. And I was like, Oh my God, this is so the missing link, like this would just transform the companies that I worked with because there was so much dysfunction just because they didn’t understand each other. So yeah, it was pretty wild. So I ended up building a business with him for the first two years through 2017, but we kind of hit a point where it was just like, I don’t know if people are like really gonna be interested in this, like human design was not really like in the like guys yet. And it was still very new. And so I actually like gave up for a couple of months in 2017 and then like early 2018, it was just like, people were ready. Erin Claire Jones (10m 29s): And I, I opened my own company then, and my fiance is now my business partner and it’s been like a real rocket ship ever since. But I think that it really was a reminder that like, I couldn’t really control when people would be ready, but I could just be like ready for them. Christine Okezie (10m 43s): Yeah. That’s excellent. Oh my gosh. Thank you. That’s great. It’s and I love the way that it, you know, just sort of resonated with you and you kind of, you know, stayed open to it and it just sort of happened with so much ease. I mean, I guess working with your human design literally. Right. Erin Claire Jones (10m 58s): But like, not even so intentional yet, you know what I mean? So much of my design is around like giving myself time and not jumping into things immediately. And like he knew my design, so he was supportive in me honoring that, but like, it really did take time. Like once I was in, I was all in, but like, it wasn’t a thing that was like this immediate. Yes. And so much of my design is around being invited into things like I’m not really designed to chase after things like I’m here to have somebody be like, Hey, you you’d be great at this. Like, come do this with me. And like, I don’t think that you have to be invited at human design to like study human design at all. But I was very literally invited in where it was just like, Hey, you should do this. And I was like, Oh, okay. You know? And so it really looking back, it was like, just so aligned in all the ways. And it was so useful, I think, in that partnership to kind of really understand it. Erin Claire Jones (11m 42s): But yeah, I think based I had not been operating according to my design, like I mentioned earlier for the many years prior. And so like, it’s really still, it’s just been such a beautiful experiment to like step into it and see what emerges when I, I love it. Christine Okezie (11m 54s): Thank you. Okay. So there are different types and different strategy. Do you, you mentioned a few of them already just by, in your own experience. Can you give us an overview? Erin Claire Jones (12m 3s): Yes. So one thing I’ll just say, is there like a bajillion configurations, you know, just the type is the first piece. There’s so much more to it, but this is a really important part of our design seminar kind of like the sun sign and astrology. So there are five different types of human design and with each type comes as strategy. And so there are generators manifesting generators, projectors, reflectors, and manifestors. And so I weird names, you know, and like, and just to clarify, not only ma’am manifestors can manifest, you know, it’s just like, those are just kind of like buckets, but they, the names don’t always mean exactly what they sound like. And if you want to look up your design, there are definitely lots of places online on my website. It’s Erin Clarence jones.com/slip up. If you want to see what your type is. Erin Claire Jones (12m 43s): So generator, so you’re a generator. Have you dug deeply into yours? Christine Okezie (12m 47s): No, I haven’t done that deeply. I kind of have an overview, so yeah. Cool. Yeah. Okay. Erin Claire Jones (12m 53s): So generators and manifesting generators, we’ll talk about them together and then separate, you know, these are really our doers, our builders, our creators, the ones that really have the energy and the life force and the creativity that just like make it happen. Like ideally you would wake up in the morning with a full thing of energy, use up your energy and super kind of satisfying, fun, creative ways throughout the day. And then kind of like crash in bed, like just like exhausted and fulfilled and wake up energized. You know, the more you do the work that really deeply satisfies you, the more energy you have and the more you magnetize to you, you know, the, the weaker, your boundaries, it boundaries are. And the more you kind of say yes to things you don’t enjoy the quicker your battery drains. And so one of your biggest lessons is cultivating strong boundaries and actually really like trusting your own desires and your own excitement and curiosity to guide the way and knowing that it’s not a selfish thing, it’s like the least selfish thing you can do, because that’s the thing that kind of really allows you to uplift everyone around you. Erin Claire Jones (13m 45s): Manifesting generators specifically are often multi-passionate by nature and tend to like having their energy and a lot of things at once. And they often are gifted at like moving very quickly, but like skipping a few steps along the way. And, but for them it’s really about not really trying to have a linear career or sticking to one thing, but really kind of honoring what they have the energy energy for and giving themselves permission to pivot and move on when it’s no longer there. And then for generators, like you, it’s, it’s more about mastery, which in no way means that you’ve only got to do one thing, but often generators it’s like, there’s a depth and like wanting to go deep into the process and like master a thing. And then like when it’s time moving on, and maybe if you have lots of things, you do one thing one day, you know, but kind of giving yourself that space to really go deep in. Erin Claire Jones (14m 26s): And there’s this like very beautiful kind of steadfast deep commitment in terms of bringing ideas to life. And the last piece that I would share about both those types is that your strategy is about letting things come to you. It’s called waiting to respond in human design. It means that you’re not meant to chase after anything. Life is meant to come to you. And your work is to kind of keep your awareness open, see what shows up in your world, see what sparks you once you get sparked and lit up, go make that thing happen, but not until so not trying to kind of come up with an idea out of thin air. And so I think that, you know, I don’t know how you found me, but like an example would be like, you know, say you’re like, I pop up in Instagram or you hear podcasts like, Oh, Aaron’s cool. Like, I don’t need to be like invited in by her, but I’m like have been, I have a response, so I’m going to reach out. Erin Claire Jones (15m 7s): So it’s kind of like an example of like a thing showing up on your world, sparking you, and then letting that kind of drive what you respond to. Does that make sense? Christine Okezie (15m 14s): Gosh, yes. That’s amazing. That’s amazing. And like you said, the, the, it really helps us figure out where to put our energy, you know, or where to kind of be aware if we’re having too much, you know, kind of trying to make something happen. It’s really maybe because we’re, we’re out of step with, you know, where he really should be devoting our energy, you know? So that really makes a lot of sense. That makes a lot of sense. Yeah. Erin Claire Jones (15m 37s): And again, it just like gives us permission. Like I sat with a generator yesterday and he was just like, so good at what he did, but he was so exhausted by it because it just like wasn’t satisfying, you know? And I think it was like hard for, to be like, you know what, actually, my desires are mentally the way, like what I’m lit up by and energized by is actually like my greatest guy. Like, it was just so the opposite of what he’d been taught, you know? And so it is a real lesson. I was like, yes, you could probably do a lot, but when you’re actually lit up excited by it, it’s just going to be a whole different experience. Okay. Okay. Then we’ve got projectors, projectors, I’m a projector. And so you’ll kind of recognize it in some of my stories. So projectors are really here to not do all the, doing so much of being a projector is knowing that your gift is really in your ability to lead and guide other people, support other people, not having to do all the, doing yourself and projectors love like any system like human design that kind of helps us better understand people and how they work. Erin Claire Jones (16m 28s): You know, our obsession is often like with people, what makes them tick, how they could use their energy better had as a projector, because you’re not here to be a doer. You might find that your energy very naturally ebbs and flows where it’s not about like do-do doing all day long, but like honoring the energy units they’re resting when it’s not, we say projectors kind of work, ideally like three to five hours a day. I know that’s maybe not always feasible. I know that I work more than that now, but I will say it’s such a good reminder that we’re just not here to do it all ourselves, you know, and like, and can be such good partners, regenerators or manifesting generators. Often projectors really do work well with people one-on-one. But I not as a way that that’s the only expression of your energy, but just that projectors are so gifted and making people feel so deeply seen and recognized, you know, they just kind of like penetrate into people’s energy and make them feel very seen, which is what makes them such amazing CEOs, managers, therapists, coaches, all the things. Erin Claire Jones (17m 18s): And the strategy for us as projectors is waiting to be invited in and recognize waiting for someone like I shared to be like, Hey, you, I want you to do this. I associate your gifts, your value, all of it. And I want you to be part of this. And so it’s just paying attention to where in your life you feel the most invited in and recognize and knowing that you don’t need an invitation for everything. Like when it comes to moving cities, you know, starting a podcast. But I think when it comes to like sharing your gifts with somebody, working with somebody, dating somebody, living with someone, that’s where it was like, do I feel invited? And do I feel recognized? Do I feel seen? And the last piece that I’d share is that when I first discovered this as an entrepreneur, I was just like, how am I supposed to build a business waiting for an invitation? This feels like really passive, you know? Erin Claire Jones (17m 59s): And I think that what I just want to remind the projectors of is that like your job is to make yourself visible. Like people cannot find you unless they see you. And so that’s what your self that is work, you know? And it’s not a passive thing. Like for me, pitching certain companies generally does not work, you know, or like reaching out. But like when I’m just sharing often and always on podcasts and on Instagram and a newsletters, like it just allows the right people to kind of resonate and come to me and invite me and to share. And so I basically just like made it my job to let people know that I exist and trust that by doing that, the right people will come and that’s been so much more inflow and abundant for me than like any attempts at pitching and reaching out, which I still try at times, but never seem to apply. Christine Okezie (18m 40s): Wow. Giving yourself permission to really, you know, not have to be. So what did they call that, you know, no pain, no gain, you know, in terms of that condition, you know, all or nothing kind of approach to, to creating or to doing it’s so important because, you know, in the coaching work that I do, I see people who are really struggling to find balance all the time, you know, the balance of being and doing in, in various pockets of their lives. And it’s so wrapped up in these beliefs about being productive and so much, you know, I need to be valuable only when I’m super busy or, you know, so this is like a game changer because it really, it really does allow people to kind of honor, you know, what, what actually supports their highest expression in their life. Christine Okezie (19m 25s): Right. Erin Claire Jones (19m 26s): Totally. You know, and so much of being a projector, especially, and this will be true for some of the other types too, is that like, it’s not defining your worth based on like how hard you work or how much you do, but rather like in your perspective and how you see, you know, and like, I, I still have deconditioning from that. I’m like, I’ve just got to like do more and work harder. And it’s like, no, the more I do that, the more I kind of like Dole my energy and make me like so much less impactful with the people that I work with, you know? But the more I like take rest and oughta be ebbs and flows and give myself space like the better a leader and teacher I am. So I think it really is just a real deconditioning of like, not trying to be the doer and our biggest shadow as projectors is like an overzealousness. I’m like literally not knowing when to stop and just like going and going and going. Erin Claire Jones (20m 9s): So it can be so useful. I feel like so many people, whatever their design, they often just feel a sense of relief. They’re like, Ooh, I’ve spent so much of my life trying to be all things that I’m not like, can I really find success doing this? Christine Okezie (20m 21s): I love the way you say that. Yeah, honor the honor honoring the ebbs and flows of your life. You know, that’s I love the way you say that. Yeah, yeah, Erin Claire Jones (20m 28s): Yeah. Manifestors are the ones that are really here to initiate and get things started, not here to do all the doing themselves either, but often here to kind of get things off the ground and get things rolling. Manifestors tend to thrive with a sense of freedom and autonomy and control. They’re really not here to be told what to do or guided our management. Anyway, I like very much how to do things on their own and in their own way. And I find naked struggle in a more corporate setting because they’re just like not here to be told what to do, you know? So they have a thrive in a more entrepreneurial setting, or if they’re given freedom, you know, when I manage manifestors in the past, it’s like, this is your domain. Go do what you please keep me updated. Let me know how it goes. And manifesters energy will often operate in creative burst as well, where they might like do a lot very quickly, whether it’s over a day or a couple of days or a couple hours, and then like really need to rest. Erin Claire Jones (21m 12s): So again, giving themselves that permission and space and knowing that so much that their gift is at the beginning, isn’t getting some thing off the ground, but also knowing when to hand it off. And so this strategy for manifestors is about initiating. They’re really here to pay attention to what urges arise within them and like trust them even. And they’re out here to wait for anything to come to them and also to just make sure they’re kind of keeping the people around them in the loop and just like informed of what they’re choosing and when not, because they’re asking for permission, not because they’re explaining themselves, but often just because it creates more ease, their energy is going to impact people either way. So if they just like to let people know, people are like, cool, I’m on your team. You know, if they don’t inform people, people can be very suspicious or question or wonder what they’re doing. So it’s not always a very natural practice to keep people in the loop, but it is really just meant to make your life so much easier. Christine Okezie (21m 56s): Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and so there’s so many bells and whistles going off for me right now about, you know, understanding these types and strategies, because obviously it does help from a personal, you know, self knowledge standpoint. Right. But then from a managerial standpoint, if you are a manager, you’re building a team or managing a bunch of people, if you know their types and their strategies, it makes you so much more effective Erin Claire Jones (22m 22s): Unbelievably. So, you know what I mean? Just imagine if you had projector, you’re trying to treat them as a generator or you’re trying to tell manifest or what to do. Like it’s just like resistance, you know? And I just find like, when we really find effective ways to navigate the interpersonal dynamics, like it just makes us so much better. And that’s, again, that’s what drew me into human design. I was like, I’m working with amazing people, but they just don’t seem to understand how to work together, you know, and how to fully leverage each other. And so I think it just really like gives us so much permission, like this person, like maybe you won’t love all the meetings. This person needs more time with our decisions. This person needs like is super spontaneous. Like this person needs freedom. This person needs collaboration. Like it just, it’s so revealing and tactical in a way that I think just creates so much more ease in any kind of relationship and like obviously working ones, but like who we’re partnered with and our kids and our friends. Erin Claire Jones (23m 12s): I do so many family sessions. And it’s just so revealing because you can like, imagine having, like being a projector parent with a manifesting generator kit, and you’re just like trying to keep up and making yourself wrong, you know, or the other way around and being like, why can’t they keep up? It’s just, it’s just it’s. So it creates so much compassion and so much understanding. And it was so funny even like retrospectively to look back on my parents, my father’s a projector and my sister and mom are manifesters. So like we had an odd family and that we had no generators and manifesting generators, but it was so I used to, even as a fellow projector, make my father wrong for like, he would just be like, I don’t have the energy for this. And he would just like retire. So, and I’d be like, yeah, why isn’t he going to keep going? And he was just like, so a with this design, you know what I mean? He was doing it perfectly now. I’m just like, he’s being such a projector go TJ, you know? Erin Claire Jones (23m 54s): So I think that it really is, it just gives us a lot of permission and I think a lot of compassion in our relationship. Christine Okezie (24m 2s): Oh, wow. That’s a big one. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. So many insights. Erin Claire Jones (24m 7s): So, Oh my God. It’s just endless rabbit hole full of insights, always. So reflectors are last type reflectors are also the most rare type. These people are incredibly sensitive to their physical space. This can actually be true for every type. Like it would be really true for you as well, but it’s a hallmark of reflectors. Basically. They’re going to kind of mirror and reflect back whatever space that they’re in. So if the team they’re in it feels really good. They’re going to feel great. You know, if the restaurant feels great, they’re gonna have a great experience there. But like if the space itself doesn’t feel good, they’re also gonna feel that deeply in their own body. And so for reflectors, like while they’re such powerful reflectors, literally like kind of embodying and, and magnifying the quality of the space they’re in, like, it’s so important for them to be such ruthless curators of who and where they’re spending time, because they’re going to take in so much of that energy. Erin Claire Jones (24m 52s): Wow. The magic of reflectors is in their fluidity. They’re going to have periods where they feel like generators, like manifesting generators, like projectors, like manifestors and their job is figure out who they are or try to be just one thing, but basically embrace the fact that like they’re all of it. And so I always say the most helpful question for reflectors to ask themselves, which I would say for you as well is not like, who am I? But like what feels like me today and how can I just like roll with that? You know, like they’re meant to express themselves in so many different ways. Like they might have like so much energy one week, I need to rest the next. And then in the context of business, we call reflectors evaluators just because they really have such a unique and objective perspective on what’s going on. They can just like sense and feel things in such a profound way. Erin Claire Jones (25m 32s): So I would say as reflector, it’s so important to kind of make sure you’re in spaces where you feel so recognized and invited in for your perspective. And I would encourage reflectors to kind of really reflect on the spaces and people that feel best and really invest more energy there. And their strategy is similarly about kind of waiting to be invited in and initiated, but also really taking their time with decisions, like really not jumping into, or trying to kind of follow someone else’s path or someone else’s sense of timing, but really giving themselves space. Christine Okezie (26m 0s): Wow. Thank you. What percentage is you said that’s the most rare? So the vast majority of people, you know, out of those types is what worked. Erin Claire Jones (26m 8s): So the vast majority are the combination of generators and manifesting generators, which are like 70% total. Okay. So around 30 to 35 each and it’s because they’re the doers. Like we wouldn’t have the world that we have, if we didn’t have that energy to make the right projectors are about 20 and manifesters about nine. Christine Okezie (26m 27s): Okay. So we understand how it enhances our ability to, you know, work in all these various capacities, professional relationships, personal family relationships. Is there any insights that you might be able to offer, like for people who are really struggling with say, you know, their health, their, you know, their physical and mental, emotional wellbeing, you know, specifically around self care specifically around, you know, these types. So, you know, someone who’s kind of like, well, I, you know, I try to, I’m trying to do everything, try this diet, and I’m going to exercise here and I’m going to eat this way, you know, and it’s just not working, you know, is there some insights around human design that might be, Erin Claire Jones (27m 6s): Yeah, there are, it’s not often the first piece I recommend people diving into because often like being aligned in a more general way with your design, it’s going to allow the health stuff to like even more impactful. You know, like if you’re a generator and you are not doing work that you enjoy, you’re super depleted, like that’s going to probably manifest some gut issues. That’s going to manifest an exhaustion, a pleasing, all the things, you know, and or projector like saying that. But I’m like overdoing things and not taking breaks and not taking rests, gut issues, exhaustion. They’re also areas that are designed called our open centers. And these are, can really correlate a certain health things like, you know, say somebody has what we call an open root center. And I know that’s a weird term, but it basically means that there might be a tendency for them to always be in a hurry and like try to apply a sense of urgency to everything that they do. Erin Claire Jones (27m 50s): So often with those people, we often see kind of like adrenals, you know, burning out there. So there’s a lot of correlations there of like where we’re really in alignment out of alignment and how that manifests physically, there is a layer of our design that does speak to how we best digest food. And it really does shift minute by minute. It’s your time exact, you know? Yeah, it is. Okay. So take it or leave it, but I’ll tell you years to give people an example. So like for you, you’re not really meant to you’re aren’t really meant to like, eat super like regularly or consistently. I don’t mean don’t eat. I just mean that like, for you, it’s like eating when you’re hungry drink, when you’re thirsty, like you might find fast things natural for you. It’s not like I’m gonna eat up at 10:00 AM and like eat this thing and then like eat at 12. Like it’s more just like really honoring your body and what feels in flow for you. Erin Claire Jones (28m 32s): Whereas like a session I did earlier with a woman, like, she’s the opposite. Like she needs to like eat when she wakes up and like really kind of keep herself very well, nourished and well fed throughout the day. And fasting might be much more challenging for her. And she’s just like, it just never worked. You know what I mean? She’s just like, Oh, I like didn’t get it, but I just like needed that nourishment. So for you, it’s very like in the flow, your digestion is called cold and it basically means that your system runs hot. And so it’s actually better again, take it or leave it to eat food that calms you down. Sorry, cools you down. So instead of like, yeah, instead of like, you know, hot soups or things off the stove, it’s like cucumbers, it’s juices, it’s salads. It’s like things out of the fridge, like things that kind of really cool you down and just making sure you’re like keeping yourself very hydrated. Erin Claire Jones (29m 16s): And I’m like lots of liquids throughout the day. Whereas like for, do you feel, does that resonate with you? Christine Okezie (29m 21s): Well, it definitely resonates, you know, I, I tend to eat seasonally, you know, I really listen to, so the, the overarching principle for me, which is kind of listening and, you know, following cues and, you know, noting, you know, the ebbs and flows just in my own appetite, you know? And, and I do, I eat pretty seasonally, you know, like, so right now we’re in, you know, going into, you know, March, April, spring, you know, so my foods after eating tons of roasted vegetables and COVID Dre lockdown, I’m like ready for, you know, steamed vegetables and some salads and some juices and fruits and that kinds of things. Yeah. So I love it because again, it’s, it’s more about, and the way that you put it in the context of, you know, all our lifestyle choices, you know, show up, you know, and really underlie our relationship with food and all these other physical symptoms. Christine Okezie (30m 12s): So the area of focus really is back to the place where I emphasize a lot, which is, you know, you’re, you’re doing self, you know, the behaviorals and the emotional tendencies and all of that. So I love it Erin Claire Jones (30m 26s): A hundred percent, you know, and just like an example of like how different, like mine is called nervous and human design. And it basically means that like, I need to be like hyped up what I eat. And basically what that means is like, I need to like, not like hyped up. Like I don’t need to be like screaming or anything like that. I just like the activity around for me activity around me. So like eating, when I stand up eating, when I walk, like, you know, not being super sedentary, eating, like, you know, walking after I eat before I eat, like I’ve so felt that my entire life and living in New York, like, I literally used to like, love when I was out in the world, like walking and eating, you know what I mean? Like on the move, which I thought was like, so ridiculous. And I was not supposed to be doing, but like, it was always, probably like so much satisfaction. And like, it was so funny discovering that in human design where it was just like, yeah, it’s not great for me to be sedentary. Erin Claire Jones (31m 8s): Like would all like get up from dinner, like three times, like go to the kitchen and get stuff like that. So healthy for me, you know? And so often again, just like validates, like say you have a kid that has this, like might not eat a lot when you’re just like sitting doing nothing, but you go out to the car and they’re starving, you know? So it just like so useful to kind of understand these pieces so that we can, again, not make ourselves wrong or, but just kind of digest in a way that works for us. Christine Okezie (31m 29s): Yes, yes, yes. The true individual bio-individuality in, in action. I love it. I love it. Okay. Talk to us about intuition, you know, listening to our intuition, feeling more guided and all of that. Erin Claire Jones (31m 45s): Yeah. So there’s an aspect of our design called earth authority, our inner authority. And it basically is around how we’re designed to make decisions. And like, this is kind of the part of human design that I fell in love with so much at the beginning, because I was like, every day we’re making decisions, you know, like spend time with where to live, what clients to take on all the things. And basically human design, like helps us know what is that Nate knowing that we can find within each of us, like, what is the process that we can use to assess what’s right for us. And none of us are meant to great, like pro-con list and rationalize it, you know? So there is like a deeper knowing that it’s going to shove a little bit differently, like for you and for you specifically actually you’re called an emotional decision maker. And it basically means that you’ve got a really strong intuition. Erin Claire Jones (32m 26s): You’ve got a really strong gut response. You’re probably gonna have like an initial instinct to things often. You’re not meant you’re not meant to make any big commitments spontaneously or in the moment. The best thing that you can do is sleep on it. You know, the best thing that you can do is like, I’m super excited, noted. I’m going to let you know tomorrow, you know, I’m going to let you know in a couple of days, because I know that I meant to make decisions from a very calm, neutral, and like not emotionally charged place and not make a decision from like a higher or low. Christine Okezie (32m 51s): Okay. Okay. Yeah. I bet definitely resonates with me, you know, I, because I can get super excited about something and super like, yeah, this is it. This is definitely it. You know? And, and I realized just a day sometimes to say, okay, let me just pull it back. Yeah. That sounds great. You know, it makes all the difference. It makes all the difference. And then when I’m making the decision, I’m really grounded and I ha I’m absolutely clear. Yeah. Erin Claire Jones (33m 14s): And then that clarity percents, like if you enter into something on that emotional high, which again, I’ve got the same one as you I’m like, I’ll just say yes, when I’m like super hyped up. And then like, I wake up the next day. I’m like, I don’t want to do that. Or like that I’m in it. And like that uncertainty kind of persists. Whereas like when you give yourself that space and time at the beginning, that sense of like clarity, calm, groundedness also persists. So like, it’s just like almost always worth it. You know? Like I know that I can feel it annoying when people want to jump in immediately, but it just like, it really allows you to just like enter into the right things. Whereas some people like are what we call sacred authorities. So they have the same gut response as you, but they’re meant to trust it in the moment, no need to wait, no need to sleep on it. Like as soon as they kind of get that visceral feeling in their belly, it lets them know where to put their energy. Erin Claire Jones (33m 55s): And when there are some people that are what we call splenic decision-makers, and they’re meant to kind of trust their intuition in a moment, which is like not the belly feeling, which is like a quiet knowing. It’s like a whisper that they hear like tingles that they feel. And they’re meant to be incredibly spontaneous, you know, which is like the opposite of us. But I think what’s so interesting for them is that like, while they’re meant to be very spontaneous, they’re also like very empathic. And so they could easily kind of get lost or picked up kind of pick up other people’s emotions and make decisions based on that. So for them it’s so important have practices that kind of help them quiet down and hear it, you know, and kind of take space from other people. There are some people that are meant to talk things out, like their truth comes. When I say it out loud, some people thought about being in the right spaces and processing some people it’s all about like their desire, like what their heart is and like what they were have the willpower to make happen and then reflectors. Erin Claire Jones (34m 43s): So, and the desire is ego. The talking about itself projected mental projectors are meant to talk things out in different spaces that feel good. That would say none. If you look it up and then reflectors are meant to give themselves a like full 28 to 30 days before they make a big decision, which always sounds like so wild to me, whatever float I talk to is like, totally. But like, I just like want to acknowledge that. I know it’s not always feasible to give themselves that much time, but I think what’s important is that they’re not making decisions from a place of pressure, you know, that they’re really knowing that they have their own sense of timing. So that was brief. But I think that, like, that is such a powerful aspect of our design to help people tune into. Because again, it allows us to kind of make decisions in such an aligned way for them. And it just like entered it, the right commitments and relationships and opportunities in the first place, again, personally, Christine Okezie (35m 28s): Or professional relationship if you butt heads because, you know, well, why can’t you just make a decision right now? I need to know now, you know, we were barking up the wrong tree again. We need to have that understanding that compassion that would be just allow for a little bit more flow when we might end up in a better place. Erin Claire Jones (35m 42s): You know? So I wonder, brings up, you know, and like, wow, it really relationally. It’s like my partner say girls. So he knows in the moment I’m emotional. I need a lot more time, like, been so useful to understand that difference where it’s just like, you know, he might be like, I’m in, I’m like, Ooh, you know, like, I don’t know yet. And it’s just like not forcing myself to make decisions more quickly than is natural, but just like honoring the difference in process. So I think this is such a powerful one. Team’s a hundred percent because you can help people know how to access it and ask them the right questions to draw it out of them, but also family and like, and friendship, because again, it’s really about appreciating that people make decisions really differently and there’s so much magic in honoring those differences. Absolutely. Christine Okezie (36m 20s): Absolutely. You know, even, especially with children, I know a lot of good things are going off in my mind right now. And just how to manage, you know, like younger kids and teenagers and, you know, are, are, are, you know, it gets to the heart of our control issues, doesn’t it? You know, cause you know, we really kind of say, well, that’s just the way their blueprint is. We really understand that’s how they’re wired and we can pull this back. We can pull our eco back. Okay. Erin Claire Jones (36m 42s): 100%. That is huge. Yeah. And it kind of like depersonalizes it in a nice way where it’s just like, you stopped taking these things personally, you’re saying, Oh, this is how it works. How can I support you? And like doing that because I know it’ll feel better. And I just think that like we just stopped making each other wrong for these things or making people wrong for being who they are. It’s just like, I think we get so tripped up in relationships when we really expect someone to be similar to us or different than what they are. And so I think when we appreciate that, like you might be really different than me. How can I actually just support you in doing that? That’s right. Christine Okezie (37m 12s): That’s right. How can I work with this? Yeah. Yeah. What’s a common myth or misunderstanding about human design that you find yourself, you know, kind of really debunking or just trying to clarify. Erin Claire Jones (37m 23s): Yeah. I feel like a lot of my time is spent debugging stuff, especially on Instagram. I think that like, it’s okay. There’s a lot of weird information out there and I I’ve seen information around human design that is like really disempowering. And I think it’s obviously like the vessel through which it comes, has an impact. And like, I think that like, I think the biggest myth and is, and this came in some ways from the founder because he said things like this as well. And I think that’s why it’s reaching a broader audience because people are communicating it about a new ways, but it’s more just like generators can’t do this projectors, can’t do this. Like, it’s just like, I think that level of certainty around any of this stuff is like the least helpful thing. And so that’s why it’s like, when people are like, can I do this? If I’m this, could I be in a relationship? I have this. And the answer is always like a hundred percent. Erin Claire Jones (38m 4s): Yeah. It’s like, it is all possible what shifts is, how we do it, you know? And so I think that like any limitation around, like, you can’t do this because you’re this, it’s just like, it’s, it’s not useful. It’s not supportive. It’s incredibly limited and limiting and it’s just not true. You know, I’ve seen like, it just, I’ve seen so many expressions of all this stuff. And so I think that it’s really like, you know, circling back to the beginning, it’s really meant to be a system that really empowers us and supports us and kind of stepping into our full potential and doesn’t limit what we could do and more just helps us know, how can you do it? Could you build a business and parent in a way that works for you? It’s not about like whether or not you can do it in the first place. Christine Okezie (38m 40s): Thank you. Okay. Yeah. So always coming from a place of personal empowerment and it’s not meant to be this rigid construct. Absolutely not. Got it. Okay. Not in my world. Okay. Okay. Certainly does help with self-sabotage, you know, cause you know, this is, this is another place in, you know, in the holistic health space that, you know, we’re always saying we want one thing and then how, how can I just go about doing the opposite thing? It really gets to the heart of that even Erin Claire Jones (39m 9s): So revealing. And it helps us know, it identifies in all of our designs where we can the most easily get to where we can most easily get taken off track, you know? And even just knowing those things like a big one for you is like trying to figure out who you are. It’s like, I gotta just like figure out my purpose. I’ve got to like figure out like how to express myself and then find the perfect thing. And like so much of your lesson and your design. It’s like, there’s nothing to figure out. Like if you are such a fluid being and you’re meant to like keep evolving and express yourself in different ways as you grow older, but also like throughout the day, depending on who you’re talking to or where you are. And so for you, there’s probably going to be so much more freedom for you when you give yourself permission to just like stay fluid and not like be rigid and consistent in the way that you express. Erin Claire Jones (39m 49s): Okay. Christine Okezie (39m 50s): Thank you. I like that. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. That’s all up in the head, you know, that I tend to do this kind of, you know, really, really get very heady and stuff. So I love the fluidity reminder. Yeah. And it just reminds us of that. Erin Claire Jones (40m 1s): We just like, we can notice those times when we start getting taken off track and we’re like, Ooh, there’s another way I could do this better. Hmm. Christine Okezie (40m 8s): Okay. What else do you see in my chart? Maybe that’s worth mentioning at this point, Erin Claire Jones (40m 11s): Another big one for you to watch out for is what we call your open throat center. And it basically means that you’ve got such a gift for really being such a master speaker and like really kind of communicating yourself in so many different ways. But the biggest shadow for you is not trusting that attention will come your way. And so it’s like, I want to say something because like, if I don’t say something, no one will see me. And then I’ve got to like plan what I’m going to say. But then it like never quite comes out how I thought it was going to come out. And so much of your wisdom was like, I will be invited in my energy. Does the talking when I’m invited in to share my, where it’s gonna have the most impact. And my job is not to control what I’m going to just say, but just like let it come out. Like the magic for me is like in the organic saying exactly what needs to be heard in a moment by just kind of like trusting that I will. Oh Christine Okezie (40m 50s): Yeah. That’s a big one. That’s a big one, you know, for sure. Because I oftentimes I get all tripped up again. It’s like, well, I want to make sure I tell them this or they need to know this and people need to understand this, you know? And so again, just dialing back and finding that a little bit more of a balance. I love that. Thank you for that. Erin Claire Jones (41m 7s): Unless, you know, and like one other piece I would share is that like you’ve also got such a natural, like critical eye. Like you could probably look at a lot of things and be like, that could be fixed. That could be improved. That could be made better. Like there’s just like an energy to improve and make things better. But like for you, it’s so much of doing that, doing that in service of the world, it’s like, I’m going to help make my clients’ lives better. I’m going to make my home better, but it’s not about like turning that critical eye on, on myself and like start to find fault with myself or my family. It’s more just like, how can I use that energy to improve outwards rather than kind of like just finding fault with the people that are so intimate and close to me. Christine Okezie (41m 42s): Fascinating. That’s fascinating. Okay. All right. I love it. I love it. Well, how does one train to like, you know, become a human design chart, you know, reader, I mean like, is this something that what’s, what’s a great resource for someone who said, well, this is kind of interesting and not necessarily in the corporate world, but just, you know, they wanted people what’s a good resource for them to kind of learn more. Yeah. Erin Claire Jones (42m 4s): Yeah. I think that everyone’s path will look different. You know, I get lots of training questions every day and like, I think that I went through a very traditional route, but you know, I think that like sometimes people don’t like those traditional schools. I think that if you’re interested in shoe design in general, there’s an, a great book called the definitive guide to human design. But it’s like dense when I say like dense. It’s like, it’ll be great if you’re like, I want to study human design and like learn as much as I can. I have an offering called the blueprint, which is basically kind of like a personalized, I’m sure you read about it if you’re on my emails, but like it’s basically like a personalized written guide to your unique designs. If you’re like curious that or say more about you, I would definitely recommend that I’m happy to discount code for your audience if you’d like, but yeah, but I make each of them, I mean, not forever, but for now. Erin Claire Jones (42m 50s): And it really is kind of meant to lay out the information around your design in the most empowering, actual way so that you can have like a resource manual to you that you can keep returning to. You know what I mean? And so I think that like a lot of people aren’t gonna want to understand all the details about human design, but they do want to be like, how can it help me? So like it blueprints meant to be that, but I think that, and that definitive guide to human design is a great resource. If you’re like, I want to learn in general, I want to go really deep. And I also share, I do sessions and all the things, but I, I also share a lot on Instagram. So you would just like, look if your type and like, there are going to be lots of posts for all the types and strategies and profiles and things like that. Christine Okezie (43m 25s): Thank you. Yes, no, I’ll conclude all of those links to the services and your, your resources on the, on the show notes. And I’d love to ask this final question and, you know, what was the most important thing that you learned in 2020? Erin Claire Jones (43m 41s): Think just like this, even doesn’t feel like a new lesson, but it was such a important one. I’ve just like being outside. Like I think just like, you know, I live in Brooklyn and you know, we just started going for walks every day in prospect park, which is really close to our home. I’m like just like spending so much more time outside and being so intentional about that, I think is like, yeah, I mean, like it’s not new. Like I grew up in Seattle, like I’ve grown up like outdoors my entire life, you know, but I just think that like being inside for so such extended periods of time just felt so unnatural. And I was sharing before we started recording, we just bought a house in the, in the woods. So like I’m about to change everything, you know, but I just feel like that feels so important, you know? Erin Claire Jones (44m 24s): And it just like that, that feels like, what am I greatest lessons around just like wellbeing, you know? Like I can meditate and do all my good Illini and do my journaling. And like, those things are essential, but if I’m not spending time outside, then it’s like, it really has such an impact on just myself in general. Christine Okezie (44m 38s): I love it. I got an incredible source of nourishment that we will not take for granted any more hopefully. Right, right. Okay. So I didn’t know you were a Kundalini person. So now the reason we’re, we’re vibing together here. Erin Claire Jones (44m 51s): Yeah. I studied with Hari. Do you know Hari? Of course. Yeah. It was actually so funny, quick story. Like my partner was really not an epiphany lady and I was trying to figure out who to do my teacher training with back in 2017. It must’ve been okay. And I brought him as considering a few and I brought him to one of her classes and you know, he’d never done Kundalini before. And like at the end I was like, was it totally weird? You know, it’s weird. I’m just like, did you ever come back? And he was like, I’m doing the training with you. And so we did a nine month training with me, which is amazing. Cause her is amazing and they fell in love. She literally ended that class. She’s like, you should teach this stuff. Not to me, to him. I was like, okay, great. But anyways, yeah. It’s, you know, I’m, I’m not always consistent in my practice, but it really is one of the more impactful ones I’ve ever discovered. Christine Okezie (45m 36s): So a lot of sense I can understand because it is a deep dive into your true self. That’s really what the end of the, you know, all the tools and practices. I’m sorry. Are all about getting more in touch with, you know, who you really are, what you really are. So I love it. So thank you for sharing that. Is there anything that I didn’t ask you? Maybe I didn’t know enough to ask? Erin Claire Jones (45m 55s): No, no, no. You did great. I think that, yeah, I let it, I let it flow. You let it flow. Yeah. There’s never a thing that like, I really need to share, you know, I, I trust that. It’s always, but yeah, if you want to go deeper, I’m Erin Claire Jones, everywhere and Instagram website, all the things. Thank you. Thank you so much, Christine Okezie (46m 13s): Eron. You’re great. All right. I’ll be in touch and I can’t wait to share your information and everyone take care. Erin Claire Jones (46m 18s): Thank you. Bye-bye.

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